1 00:00:03,710 --> 00:00:01,699 I haven't heard of you coming up with 2 00:00:05,660 --> 00:00:03,720 Kevin and it's actually a second 3 00:00:08,620 --> 00:00:05,670 interview but I had to go back to Kevin 4 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:08,630 and ask him a couple more questions 5 00:00:13,940 --> 00:00:12,450 about evil here are some clips and even 6 00:00:16,550 --> 00:00:13,950 in preparing for this interview I have 7 00:00:19,189 --> 00:00:16,560 to say these doubts started creeping in 8 00:00:21,830 --> 00:00:19,199 again and I had to go back and had to go 9 00:00:25,429 --> 00:00:21,840 and kind of start from Ground Zero it's 10 00:00:27,849 --> 00:00:25,439 part of the whole system of how this is 11 00:00:30,529 --> 00:00:27,859 hidden isn't it I mean the whole 12 00:00:33,650 --> 00:00:30,539 discrediting of people without much 13 00:00:35,299 --> 00:00:33,660 really evidence to discredit them well 14 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:35,309 yeah they always say the bigger the 15 00:00:39,350 --> 00:00:37,410 crime the bigger the cover-up and the 16 00:00:41,810 --> 00:00:39,360 main cover it begins in our own minds we 17 00:00:43,910 --> 00:00:41,820 don't have to be told not to read 18 00:00:46,639 --> 00:00:43,920 something or listen to somebody our own 19 00:00:49,100 --> 00:00:46,649 fear or conditioning shuts that off 20 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:49,110 before the sensor comes in to do it 21 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:51,210 I just took something really simple that 22 00:00:57,590 --> 00:00:52,890 I remembered you said first time around 23 00:01:00,410 --> 00:00:57,600 and that's that you name names but you 24 00:01:04,369 --> 00:01:00,420 go to the quote unquote Truth and 25 00:01:07,670 --> 00:01:04,379 Reconciliation committee and the first 26 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:07,680 Clause the first edict is we will not 27 00:01:14,359 --> 00:01:10,890 name names we will know the pinna we 28 00:01:16,940 --> 00:01:14,369 will not and it just is so stark you 29 00:01:20,420 --> 00:01:16,950 want to start talking about these kind 30 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:20,430 of crimes under the umbrella of religion 31 00:01:27,320 --> 00:01:24,890 it forces them to confront the 32 00:01:30,580 --> 00:01:27,330 possibility that these deep beliefs that 33 00:01:34,219 --> 00:01:30,590 they have may not hold up to the kind of 34 00:01:36,289 --> 00:01:34,229 careful examination in psychology when 35 00:01:38,179 --> 00:01:36,299 you're in the state of dissociation you 36 00:01:39,710 --> 00:01:38,189 cannot connect your own behavior with 37 00:01:42,109 --> 00:01:39,720 the world around you you live in a 38 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:42,119 bubble world and I remember talking to a 39 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:44,250 survivor of the Mormon Church in Salt 40 00:01:48,620 --> 00:01:46,770 Lake City doing exactly the same crimes 41 00:01:50,990 --> 00:01:48,630 against their children the Catholics do 42 00:01:52,910 --> 00:01:51,000 and this young woman said when she was a 43 00:01:54,380 --> 00:01:52,920 girl she used to be excited when her dad 44 00:01:56,149 --> 00:01:54,390 would come home she'd stand at the door 45 00:01:57,950 --> 00:01:56,159 waiting for him then he'd take her off 46 00:02:00,020 --> 00:01:57,960 and rape her in the bedroom but she was 47 00:02:02,179 --> 00:02:00,030 always excited to see him and to me 48 00:02:05,030 --> 00:02:02,189 that's biology what we're dealing with 49 00:02:08,900 --> 00:02:05,040 because these religions have been covers 50 00:02:10,550 --> 00:02:08,910 and masks for the worst crimes in human 51 00:02:11,869 --> 00:02:10,560 history and yet people get in bed with 52 00:02:13,510 --> 00:02:11,879 them all the time thinking there's 53 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:13,520 something else 54 00:02:16,900 --> 00:02:15,410 so it's a very difficult thing to look 55 00:02:19,540 --> 00:02:16,910 at our own conditioning at our own 56 00:02:22,420 --> 00:02:19,550 complicity in these crimes but we all 57 00:02:24,370 --> 00:02:22,430 are complicit in somewhere another on 58 00:02:28,420 --> 00:02:24,380 the other hand as your lifework 59 00:02:32,710 --> 00:02:28,430 just dramatically screams out is we do 60 00:02:36,580 --> 00:02:32,720 feel a certain drive to at the very 61 00:02:39,310 --> 00:02:36,590 least exposed this evil absolutely and 62 00:02:41,170 --> 00:02:39,320 but it's not the bastards I'm stopping 63 00:02:44,650 --> 00:02:41,180 it's the thing that possesses them which 64 00:02:46,330 --> 00:02:44,660 also possesses me after World War two 65 00:02:48,250 --> 00:02:46,340 Robert Jackson he was the chief American 66 00:02:50,500 --> 00:02:48,260 prosecutor at Nuremberg he had put all 67 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:50,510 the top Nazis on trial prosecuted them 68 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:52,850 he was speaking at a Jewish synagogue in 69 00:02:56,140 --> 00:02:53,570 Brooklyn 70 00:02:58,270 --> 00:02:56,150 he said the SS were no different than 71 00:02:59,800 --> 00:02:58,280 URI if you put us in the same 72 00:03:00,840 --> 00:02:59,810 circumstance we could have done exactly 73 00:03:03,850 --> 00:03:00,850 what they did 74 00:03:06,100 --> 00:03:03,860 any whistleblower faces the same dilemma 75 00:03:07,420 --> 00:03:06,110 it doesn't matter if you've indicated it 76 00:03:09,910 --> 00:03:07,430 doesn't matter if they say look Kevin 77 00:03:12,100 --> 00:03:09,920 Anna's been proven true you know 78 00:03:15,550 --> 00:03:12,110 Canada's admitted to genocide you're 79 00:03:17,350 --> 00:03:15,560 always blacklisted it never lifts no one 80 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:17,360 wants to be around somebody who's been a 81 00:03:23,490 --> 00:03:19,010 whistleblower because they might do it 82 00:03:29,830 --> 00:03:23,500 again stay with us for skeptic Oh 83 00:03:32,660 --> 00:03:29,840 [Music] 84 00:03:35,210 --> 00:03:32,670 today we welcome Kevin and it back to 85 00:03:38,270 --> 00:03:35,220 skeptic Oh Kevin is a former United 86 00:03:41,119 --> 00:03:38,280 Church of Canada clergyman who became a 87 00:03:43,820 --> 00:03:41,129 whistleblower of crimes by his church in 88 00:03:45,380 --> 00:03:43,830 which he later discovered were crimes of 89 00:03:48,229 --> 00:03:45,390 the Canadian government and later 90 00:03:50,270 --> 00:03:48,239 discovered were also connected to crimes 91 00:03:53,870 --> 00:03:50,280 of the Catholic Church in the Anglican 92 00:03:55,370 --> 00:03:53,880 Church and other various parties now in 93 00:03:57,740 --> 00:03:55,380 the previous episode if you haven't 94 00:04:01,309 --> 00:03:57,750 heard it or if you haven't heard of 95 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:01,319 Kevin's amazing story in general we 96 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:04,410 talked about the horrific nature and 97 00:04:08,300 --> 00:04:06,330 scale of these crimes 98 00:04:11,500 --> 00:04:08,310 we're not going to talk so much about 99 00:04:14,870 --> 00:04:11,510 that today but his excellent movie 100 00:04:16,550 --> 00:04:14,880 unrepentant is out there available you 101 00:04:19,729 --> 00:04:16,560 can definitely watch it for free on 102 00:04:23,150 --> 00:04:19,739 YouTube as well as other places and his 103 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:23,160 book murder by decree is available on 104 00:04:30,290 --> 00:04:26,250 Amazon by the way it's also available 105 00:04:33,650 --> 00:04:30,300 for free on his website by the same name 106 00:04:35,900 --> 00:04:33,660 I think Kevin is really interested in 107 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:35,910 getting the word out there and less 108 00:04:41,810 --> 00:04:38,250 interested about their revenue stream 109 00:04:43,879 --> 00:04:41,820 that this stuff generates so it's a very 110 00:04:46,430 --> 00:04:43,889 very important story I think it touches 111 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:46,440 on so many topics that we cover here and 112 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:48,930 that's actually why I wanted to have 113 00:04:55,100 --> 00:04:51,690 Kevin back because the first interview 114 00:04:57,830 --> 00:04:55,110 on skeptic code generated a lot of 115 00:05:01,870 --> 00:04:57,840 different reactions I'm not surprised 116 00:05:05,270 --> 00:05:01,880 it's hard to hear about the systemic 117 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:05,280 abuse of children very young children 118 00:05:11,810 --> 00:05:08,330 the sexual abuse of children by these 119 00:05:14,629 --> 00:05:11,820 institutions but with but we have to get 120 00:05:17,270 --> 00:05:14,639 to the bottom of the reality to it and 121 00:05:19,100 --> 00:05:17,280 that's what I think we're going to try 122 00:05:21,529 --> 00:05:19,110 and do today and we're also going to try 123 00:05:24,710 --> 00:05:21,539 and broaden that discussion and maybe 124 00:05:28,730 --> 00:05:24,720 talk about what the implications are for 125 00:05:31,510 --> 00:05:28,740 that and for those of us who do look 126 00:05:35,210 --> 00:05:31,520 into the abyss you know what is our 127 00:05:38,029 --> 00:05:35,220 responsibility and maybe what is even 128 00:05:40,219 --> 00:05:38,039 our challenge slash opportunity in doing 129 00:05:43,159 --> 00:05:40,229 so these are all questions that I have 130 00:05:45,679 --> 00:05:43,169 and I'm so thankful that Kevin 131 00:05:47,659 --> 00:05:45,689 has joined me to hash some of this stuff 132 00:05:49,790 --> 00:05:47,669 out Kevin thanks for coming back on 133 00:05:53,390 --> 00:05:49,800 thanks for having me it's good to be 134 00:05:56,119 --> 00:05:53,400 back so as I outlined there you know 135 00:05:59,809 --> 00:05:56,129 this is old hat for you you've been at 136 00:06:03,739 --> 00:05:59,819 this for a long time I just have to tell 137 00:06:06,409 --> 00:06:03,749 people because you are a lightning rod 138 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:06,419 figure and anyone who goes and 139 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:09,090 researches you on the web will have the 140 00:06:15,649 --> 00:06:12,090 same reaction that I do and that's that 141 00:06:20,179 --> 00:06:15,659 disbelief kind of in two different ways 142 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:20,189 one disbelief that you've so carefully 143 00:06:26,390 --> 00:06:22,770 documented these unbelievable crimes 144 00:06:29,540 --> 00:06:26,400 that have still been managed to be kind 145 00:06:31,670 --> 00:06:29,550 of hidden and swept under the rug but 146 00:06:34,399 --> 00:06:31,680 then that is also accompanied with and I 147 00:06:37,579 --> 00:06:34,409 go through this myself with you and with 148 00:06:39,350 --> 00:06:37,589 other guests but where I'll get to a 149 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:39,360 point where I'll go could that really be 150 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:43,289 true could I have been duped if you will 151 00:06:46,879 --> 00:06:45,210 and I went through that again and even 152 00:06:49,129 --> 00:06:46,889 in preparing for this last interview I 153 00:06:51,140 --> 00:06:49,139 have to say I these doubts started 154 00:06:53,420 --> 00:06:51,150 creeping in again and I had to go back 155 00:06:55,610 --> 00:06:53,430 and had to go and kind of start from 156 00:06:58,490 --> 00:06:55,620 Ground Zero and and and that's a process 157 00:07:01,610 --> 00:06:58,500 I think I'm sure you've encountered with 158 00:07:06,379 --> 00:07:01,620 many many people who've come across your 159 00:07:08,779 --> 00:07:06,389 work and it's part of the whole system 160 00:07:11,929 --> 00:07:08,789 of how this is hidden isn't it I mean 161 00:07:14,740 --> 00:07:11,939 the whole discrediting of people without 162 00:07:17,420 --> 00:07:14,750 much really evidence to discredit them 163 00:07:19,490 --> 00:07:17,430 well yeah they always say the bigger the 164 00:07:21,469 --> 00:07:19,500 crime the bigger the cover-up and the 165 00:07:23,929 --> 00:07:21,479 main cover it begins in our own minds we 166 00:07:26,029 --> 00:07:23,939 don't have to be told not to read 167 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:26,039 something or listen to somebody our own 168 00:07:31,570 --> 00:07:28,770 fear or conditioning shuts that off 169 00:07:34,459 --> 00:07:31,580 before the sensor comes in to do it and 170 00:07:37,939 --> 00:07:34,469 you know it I found that as a minister 171 00:07:40,909 --> 00:07:37,949 in the congregation's I service that 172 00:07:43,010 --> 00:07:40,919 people wanted to hear the things that 173 00:07:44,540 --> 00:07:43,020 comforted them and they didn't want to 174 00:07:46,399 --> 00:07:44,550 necessarily hear the truth and that's 175 00:07:48,649 --> 00:07:46,409 true whether you're talking about people 176 00:07:52,519 --> 00:07:48,659 going through divorce people have lost a 177 00:07:55,070 --> 00:07:52,529 child anything we're always looking for 178 00:07:56,390 --> 00:07:55,080 the things that that makes us feel 179 00:07:58,129 --> 00:07:56,400 secure so 180 00:08:00,620 --> 00:07:58,139 a topic like this is not going to be a 181 00:08:02,990 --> 00:08:00,630 popular one and it's never a question 182 00:08:06,710 --> 00:08:03,000 you know Alex about the the presence of 183 00:08:07,939 --> 00:08:06,720 evidence or not you can have all the 184 00:08:09,530 --> 00:08:07,949 evidence in the world and if you're 185 00:08:11,930 --> 00:08:09,540 challenging the way somebody looks at 186 00:08:13,790 --> 00:08:11,940 the world it won't convince them whereas 187 00:08:15,290 --> 00:08:13,800 if I tell you something that you agree 188 00:08:17,659 --> 00:08:15,300 with you won't need evidence I won't 189 00:08:19,490 --> 00:08:17,669 need evidence to convince you it's such 190 00:08:22,340 --> 00:08:19,500 a tough process right now especially 191 00:08:25,010 --> 00:08:22,350 with all the quote unquote fake news 192 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:25,020 disinformation misinformation so much of 193 00:08:29,090 --> 00:08:27,090 it we can trace back is intentional in 194 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:29,100 so many ways which it is in your case is 195 00:08:33,589 --> 00:08:31,530 well but I mean I just took something 196 00:08:36,620 --> 00:08:33,599 really simple that I remembered you said 197 00:08:39,649 --> 00:08:36,630 first time around and that's that you 198 00:08:43,519 --> 00:08:39,659 name names and that really struck me 199 00:08:46,900 --> 00:08:43,529 because you name names and then I looked 200 00:08:50,090 --> 00:08:46,910 through murder by decree and in 1998 201 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:50,100 you're sitting in front of people as a 202 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:52,610 witness who are giving sworn testimony 203 00:08:58,010 --> 00:08:55,410 that they're signing their name to and 204 00:09:01,190 --> 00:08:58,020 they're saying here is the perpetrator 205 00:09:02,780 --> 00:09:01,200 here is that name and then I went to and 206 00:09:04,820 --> 00:09:02,790 people have to dig into this a little 207 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:04,830 bit to understand it but know you could 208 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:07,410 talk at length about it but you go to 209 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:09,930 the quote-unquote Truth and 210 00:09:17,210 --> 00:09:13,890 Reconciliation committee and the first 211 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:17,220 Clause the first edict is we will not 212 00:09:23,210 --> 00:09:20,370 name names we will know the pinna we 213 00:09:26,390 --> 00:09:23,220 will not and it just is so stark it just 214 00:09:27,260 --> 00:09:26,400 like stopped me literally like how can 215 00:09:29,329 --> 00:09:27,270 this be 216 00:09:31,130 --> 00:09:29,339 do you want to speak to that at all well 217 00:09:32,510 --> 00:09:31,140 that's exactly how you operate when 218 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:32,520 you're the criminal and you're covering 219 00:09:36,710 --> 00:09:34,650 up your crime the churches and state and 220 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:36,720 government that ran these residential 221 00:09:40,010 --> 00:09:38,370 school death camps were the ones who set 222 00:09:42,230 --> 00:09:40,020 up the so-called Truth and 223 00:09:44,030 --> 00:09:42,240 Reconciliation Commission so it's like 224 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:44,040 the serial killer picking this jury and 225 00:09:49,190 --> 00:09:47,250 his judge and the you know you know 226 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:49,200 there's story about the emperor walking 227 00:09:51,740 --> 00:09:50,490 around naked at number one in the crowd 228 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:51,750 thought he had clothes on well that's 229 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:53,850 how Canadians view their own genocide 230 00:09:57,860 --> 00:09:56,730 they say oh well we we've talked a 231 00:09:59,780 --> 00:09:57,870 little bit about the issue therefore 232 00:10:01,430 --> 00:09:59,790 it's all resolved even though they're 233 00:10:04,460 --> 00:10:01,440 under orders never to implicate anybody 234 00:10:06,890 --> 00:10:04,470 and you know it's a joke and yet no 235 00:10:09,350 --> 00:10:06,900 one's willing to laugh about it let 236 00:10:10,190 --> 00:10:09,360 alone object to it because it's too 237 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:10,200 uncomfortable 238 00:10:15,650 --> 00:10:12,810 you know as I mentioned earlier we 239 00:10:17,269 --> 00:10:15,660 picked the truths that suit us and you 240 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:17,279 know that that reaffirm our view of the 241 00:10:22,370 --> 00:10:19,410 world we don't want to have new truths 242 00:10:24,319 --> 00:10:22,380 that upset that view of the world so you 243 00:10:27,139 --> 00:10:24,329 know I alluded to this a little bit in 244 00:10:29,629 --> 00:10:27,149 the intro but it was kind of interesting 245 00:10:31,250 --> 00:10:29,639 to me and and interesting and in a way 246 00:10:34,129 --> 00:10:31,260 that's it's kind of sad and 247 00:10:36,139 --> 00:10:34,139 disappointing but also in a way 248 00:10:38,150 --> 00:10:36,149 motivates me do you kind of continue 249 00:10:40,850 --> 00:10:38,160 this little quest that I'm on of 250 00:10:44,449 --> 00:10:40,860 personal discovery that is skeptic oh 251 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:44,459 because I received one particular email 252 00:10:47,990 --> 00:10:45,930 from someone who's been a longtime 253 00:10:51,560 --> 00:10:48,000 listener of skeptical big supporter of 254 00:10:53,439 --> 00:10:51,570 the show very open-minded guy can listen 255 00:10:55,939 --> 00:10:53,449 to a lot of different opinions about 256 00:10:58,400 --> 00:10:55,949 spirituality even about some conspiracy 257 00:11:01,939 --> 00:10:58,410 but this show really hit him you know 258 00:11:05,060 --> 00:11:01,949 you want to start talking about these 259 00:11:08,300 --> 00:11:05,070 kind of crimes under the umbrella of 260 00:11:10,819 --> 00:11:08,310 religion in some kind of organized way 261 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:10,829 and I think it really puts a lot of 262 00:11:18,019 --> 00:11:14,730 people it forces them to kind of 263 00:11:21,170 --> 00:11:18,029 confront the possibility that these deep 264 00:11:24,100 --> 00:11:21,180 beliefs that they have may not hold up 265 00:11:29,630 --> 00:11:24,110 to the kind of exact careful examination 266 00:11:32,300 --> 00:11:29,640 or this kind of deep conspiratorial look 267 00:11:34,519 --> 00:11:32,310 that it might take well you know with 268 00:11:36,170 --> 00:11:34,529 everyone I often say it doesn't really 269 00:11:38,269 --> 00:11:36,180 matter what you believe as long as it's 270 00:11:40,850 --> 00:11:38,279 not harming somebody and when you have a 271 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:40,860 system of religion that says it's okay 272 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:43,050 to wipe out anybody if they're not of 273 00:11:46,100 --> 00:11:44,610 your faith and the Catholic Church has 274 00:11:48,889 --> 00:11:46,110 said that for many centuries they said 275 00:11:51,079 --> 00:11:48,899 that from the very beginning and it was 276 00:11:53,150 --> 00:11:51,089 the justification for genocide all over 277 00:11:55,009 --> 00:11:53,160 the world I say just do a body count 278 00:11:57,139 --> 00:11:55,019 what institution has killed more people 279 00:11:58,910 --> 00:11:57,149 in history well the Roman Catholic 280 00:12:00,500 --> 00:11:58,920 Church well then how can they believe in 281 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:00,510 the love of God and Jesus on all this 282 00:12:04,370 --> 00:12:02,490 nice stuff how how do you hold those two 283 00:12:06,680 --> 00:12:04,380 contradictory realities together in your 284 00:12:08,900 --> 00:12:06,690 online well you do that by leading a 285 00:12:11,329 --> 00:12:08,910 completely dissociated existence right 286 00:12:13,879 --> 00:12:11,339 and in psychology when you're in the 287 00:12:15,470 --> 00:12:13,889 state of dissociation you cannot connect 288 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:15,480 your own behavior with the world around 289 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:18,810 you you live in a bubble world and you 290 00:12:23,369 --> 00:12:20,610 can be harming your own children this is 291 00:12:26,069 --> 00:12:23,379 classic you know child rapists there can 292 00:12:28,049 --> 00:12:26,079 to be very often they've got a sterling 293 00:12:30,269 --> 00:12:28,059 public reputation and and I remember 294 00:12:32,699 --> 00:12:30,279 talking to a survivor of the Mormon 295 00:12:34,139 --> 00:12:32,709 Church in Salt Lake City doing exactly 296 00:12:37,109 --> 00:12:34,149 the same crimes against their children 297 00:12:38,609 --> 00:12:37,119 the Catholics do and this young woman 298 00:12:40,019 --> 00:12:38,619 said when she was a girl she used to be 299 00:12:41,669 --> 00:12:40,029 excited when her dad would come home 300 00:12:43,529 --> 00:12:41,679 she'd stand at the door waiting for him 301 00:12:45,329 --> 00:12:43,539 then he'd take her off and rape her in 302 00:12:48,299 --> 00:12:45,339 the bedroom but she was always excited 303 00:12:50,249 --> 00:12:48,309 to see him and to me that's biology what 304 00:12:53,579 --> 00:12:50,259 we're dealing with because these 305 00:12:56,159 --> 00:12:53,589 religions have been covers and masks for 306 00:12:57,779 --> 00:12:56,169 the worst crimes in human history and 307 00:12:59,369 --> 00:12:57,789 yet people get in bed with them all the 308 00:13:02,099 --> 00:12:59,379 time thinking there's something else and 309 00:13:03,599 --> 00:13:02,109 so it's a very difficult thing to look 310 00:13:06,210 --> 00:13:03,609 at our own conditioning at our own 311 00:13:08,129 --> 00:13:06,220 complicity in these crimes but we all 312 00:13:10,529 --> 00:13:08,139 are complicit in somewhere or another 313 00:13:12,899 --> 00:13:10,539 and that's the painful part we've been 314 00:13:15,779 --> 00:13:12,909 raised from a young age to kiss the hand 315 00:13:17,849 --> 00:13:15,789 that abuses us to think that we need 316 00:13:20,519 --> 00:13:17,859 these leaders telling us what to believe 317 00:13:23,249 --> 00:13:20,529 telling us about God right mediating the 318 00:13:24,509 --> 00:13:23,259 truth to us you know Jesus said the 319 00:13:26,849 --> 00:13:24,519 kingdom is within you 320 00:13:28,889 --> 00:13:26,859 the kingdom of heaven is within you that 321 00:13:32,489 --> 00:13:28,899 means you don't need somebody to tell 322 00:13:34,259 --> 00:13:32,499 you about it and you know so I don't 323 00:13:36,989 --> 00:13:34,269 really understand at the end of the day 324 00:13:38,340 --> 00:13:36,999 how people can be part of institutions 325 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:38,350 knowing they're doing these horrible 326 00:13:44,429 --> 00:13:40,689 crimes to children not past tense but 327 00:13:46,409 --> 00:13:44,439 present and secondly why they don't take 328 00:13:48,749 --> 00:13:46,419 that simple sane of Jesus to heart that 329 00:13:51,299 --> 00:13:48,759 if it's within us we don't need churches 330 00:13:52,949 --> 00:13:51,309 we just do it for ourselves and aren't 331 00:13:55,319 --> 00:13:52,959 you know that's how the church started 332 00:13:58,289 --> 00:13:55,329 in a little house church communities but 333 00:13:59,909 --> 00:13:58,299 do what by ourselves I think is the 334 00:14:01,439 --> 00:13:59,919 question and the other thing is you know 335 00:14:04,259 --> 00:14:01,449 I really want to push that a little bit 336 00:14:07,919 --> 00:14:04,269 do you really not understand it because 337 00:14:10,409 --> 00:14:07,929 I understand it I can't believe it to a 338 00:14:12,419 --> 00:14:10,419 certain extent but on the other hand in 339 00:14:15,269 --> 00:14:12,429 the sounds contradictory I do understand 340 00:14:17,939 --> 00:14:15,279 it you know my friend from the show who 341 00:14:20,759 --> 00:14:17,949 emailed me and was so upset and by the 342 00:14:23,159 --> 00:14:20,769 way the first thing I did is I said well 343 00:14:25,049 --> 00:14:23,169 let's let's dive into it dive into it 344 00:14:27,239 --> 00:14:25,059 with me we'll look at the data together 345 00:14:29,729 --> 00:14:27,249 you want me to do a second interview 346 00:14:31,829 --> 00:14:29,739 with Kevin you can be part of that 347 00:14:34,349 --> 00:14:31,839 second interview you can ask him all the 348 00:14:36,070 --> 00:14:34,359 tough questions and you know where that 349 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:36,080 led right of course 350 00:14:41,980 --> 00:14:38,690 he back down because he has everything 351 00:14:45,450 --> 00:14:41,990 to lose and nothing to gain in the first 352 00:14:49,060 --> 00:14:45,460 interview you described I thought so 353 00:14:52,140 --> 00:14:49,070 painfully beautifully how you were 354 00:14:55,810 --> 00:14:52,150 forced to go all-in as a whistleblower 355 00:14:59,440 --> 00:14:55,820 even though it was going to destroy your 356 00:15:02,740 --> 00:14:59,450 life and it did destroy that life so why 357 00:15:07,390 --> 00:15:02,750 would we expect anyone this guy who has 358 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:07,400 a successful career family friends kid 359 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:09,010 who's getting married 360 00:15:14,860 --> 00:15:13,010 Eldee in his church why would he he has 361 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:14,870 to think at some point and what I think 362 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:17,330 a lot of people do I think a lot of 363 00:15:22,330 --> 00:15:19,370 people run the whole thing in their head 364 00:15:24,940 --> 00:15:22,340 in a split second and they go I can't go 365 00:15:27,850 --> 00:15:24,950 there I have to find some way to defend 366 00:15:30,070 --> 00:15:27,860 my beliefs because so much is at stake I 367 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:30,080 mean we get that you get that I hear 368 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:32,570 that yeah like I understand it 369 00:15:36,010 --> 00:15:34,490 intellectually you know I've worked in 370 00:15:39,130 --> 00:15:36,020 psych wards and worked in Street 371 00:15:41,170 --> 00:15:39,140 ministry and for over thirty years 372 00:15:44,230 --> 00:15:41,180 I understand intellectually but I do not 373 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:44,240 understand it morally I don't understand 374 00:15:48,820 --> 00:15:47,210 how people can claim humanity and be 375 00:15:52,330 --> 00:15:48,830 part of a system that tortures and kills 376 00:15:56,530 --> 00:15:52,340 children what I what I understand from 377 00:15:58,300 --> 00:15:56,540 that is that we are not the moral beings 378 00:16:00,940 --> 00:15:58,310 we think we are or much more animal-like 379 00:16:03,550 --> 00:16:00,950 than we realize and when you put a lot 380 00:16:05,380 --> 00:16:03,560 of animals together and the confined 381 00:16:08,170 --> 00:16:05,390 space they start killing their young 382 00:16:10,030 --> 00:16:08,180 just watch gerbils in a cage and I think 383 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:10,040 we're we're experiencing that that under 384 00:16:14,050 --> 00:16:11,810 the pressure of modern civilization 385 00:16:16,930 --> 00:16:14,060 we're destroying ourselves so I mean I 386 00:16:18,580 --> 00:16:16,940 get how it happens but we can't claim we 387 00:16:21,100 --> 00:16:18,590 can't have it both ways we can't claim 388 00:16:23,170 --> 00:16:21,110 to be moral beings and then be complicit 389 00:16:24,790 --> 00:16:23,180 with these cracks you know that's an 390 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:24,800 interesting point you bring up and it 391 00:16:30,910 --> 00:16:27,050 really kind of segues into what I really 392 00:16:34,630 --> 00:16:30,920 wanted to talk about and that is the 393 00:16:38,650 --> 00:16:34,640 nature of evil because I have to tell 394 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:38,660 you how I even stumbled into looking at 395 00:16:43,210 --> 00:16:40,690 these crimes against children thing is 396 00:16:46,510 --> 00:16:43,220 very different than I think most people 397 00:16:49,060 --> 00:16:46,520 do most people are either confronted 398 00:16:51,910 --> 00:16:49,070 with it head-on like you were 399 00:16:55,740 --> 00:16:51,920 or even worse our victims of it who are 400 00:16:58,510 --> 00:16:55,750 trying to recover from it my journey was 401 00:17:00,850 --> 00:16:58,520 just a guy who started out trying to 402 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:00,860 answer big-picture questions who are we 403 00:17:07,180 --> 00:17:03,290 why are we here and was confronted with 404 00:17:09,699 --> 00:17:07,190 a false reality that was being painted 405 00:17:11,860 --> 00:17:09,709 for me and I kept following those 406 00:17:16,660 --> 00:17:11,870 falsehoods as they popped up here and 407 00:17:20,530 --> 00:17:16,670 there and that led me to this reality of 408 00:17:23,350 --> 00:17:20,540 the abuse widespread abuse of children 409 00:17:25,030 --> 00:17:23,360 and all the political connections that 410 00:17:27,670 --> 00:17:25,040 it has and all the deep power 411 00:17:30,130 --> 00:17:27,680 connections that it has and then that 412 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:30,140 brought me to kind of your doorstep but 413 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:32,930 at the same time I've always been 414 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:35,930 interested in the extended consciousness 415 00:17:41,950 --> 00:17:38,570 and the spiritual part of it and one of 416 00:17:44,940 --> 00:17:41,960 the things that it's unfortunate but 417 00:17:47,380 --> 00:17:44,950 it's true is that the abuse of children 418 00:17:50,290 --> 00:17:47,390 particularly young children when you 419 00:17:54,670 --> 00:17:50,300 think of a five-year-old girl or a 420 00:17:56,290 --> 00:17:54,680 four-year-old boy being raped there's no 421 00:17:58,270 --> 00:17:56,300 other way you can't put it in nice terms 422 00:18:01,150 --> 00:17:58,280 being raped and in some cases you know 423 00:18:03,970 --> 00:18:01,160 raped and then rent it out and then put 424 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:03,980 in again put in a snuff film film and 425 00:18:08,470 --> 00:18:06,410 killed I mean this is horrible folks and 426 00:18:10,990 --> 00:18:08,480 I realize and I know that people just 427 00:18:13,510 --> 00:18:11,000 cringe or will just turn off as soon as 428 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:13,520 they hear that but we have to understand 429 00:18:18,180 --> 00:18:15,170 that this is happening and we do have 430 00:18:21,850 --> 00:18:18,190 documentation of it happening but that 431 00:18:24,550 --> 00:18:21,860 brings us to the brink of the evil 432 00:18:26,530 --> 00:18:24,560 question and and it doesn't in a way 433 00:18:28,690 --> 00:18:26,540 that is so stark that most people can't 434 00:18:30,970 --> 00:18:28,700 get away from it so people will debate 435 00:18:32,260 --> 00:18:30,980 you know oh is there really evil you 436 00:18:34,150 --> 00:18:32,270 know and like you mentioned the animal 437 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:34,160 kingdom you know our tornadoes yeah well 438 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:36,170 of course they're not evil but you kind 439 00:18:41,590 --> 00:18:38,810 of talk about that and you get people to 440 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:41,600 a different level and they go no that is 441 00:18:48,910 --> 00:18:45,290 freakin evil and I guess I wanted to use 442 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:48,920 that as a segue into what do you think 443 00:18:54,370 --> 00:18:52,490 about the question of evil is this some 444 00:18:57,370 --> 00:18:54,380 of the stuff we're talking about is it 445 00:18:59,770 --> 00:18:57,380 evil in that sense and then we'd have to 446 00:19:01,510 --> 00:18:59,780 describe what that means to be exactly 447 00:19:02,830 --> 00:19:01,520 you you need to say what you mean by you 448 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:02,840 is a very broad term 449 00:19:06,550 --> 00:19:05,330 of anyone who's killing anyone else has 450 00:19:08,740 --> 00:19:06,560 convinced that they're good and their 451 00:19:09,940 --> 00:19:08,750 enemy is evil so the term is thrown 452 00:19:12,580 --> 00:19:09,950 around it's really meaningless 453 00:19:14,830 --> 00:19:12,590 meaningless term we have to talk about 454 00:19:17,530 --> 00:19:14,840 this specific evil or that specific evil 455 00:19:19,330 --> 00:19:17,540 we all have a gut understanding of what 456 00:19:22,020 --> 00:19:19,340 something evil is it's mindless 457 00:19:25,210 --> 00:19:22,030 destruction especially of the innocent 458 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:25,220 and you see that everywhere in society 459 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:27,530 is so prevalent that's why it's so 460 00:19:32,380 --> 00:19:29,690 protected and so commonplace is because 461 00:19:34,180 --> 00:19:32,390 for one thing if we're talking about the 462 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:34,190 evil and violence done against innocent 463 00:19:39,580 --> 00:19:37,250 children it is something that is a 464 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:39,590 multi-billion dollar industry it's got a 465 00:19:44,260 --> 00:19:41,570 lot of big money behind it so naturally 466 00:19:47,110 --> 00:19:44,270 it's gonna carry on that's kind of the 467 00:19:49,060 --> 00:19:47,120 material explanation but within us my 468 00:19:52,410 --> 00:19:49,070 understanding after many years including 469 00:19:55,150 --> 00:19:52,420 in the ministry and having engaged in 470 00:19:58,360 --> 00:19:55,160 exorcisms and encountering the spiritual 471 00:19:58,900 --> 00:19:58,370 reality up close that I know that for a 472 00:20:01,240 --> 00:19:58,910 fact 473 00:20:03,430 --> 00:20:01,250 we are facing an entity which has 474 00:20:04,900 --> 00:20:03,440 ability to possess all of us that I 475 00:20:08,020 --> 00:20:04,910 considered the human race in the state 476 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:08,030 of group possession and you just don't 477 00:20:11,980 --> 00:20:09,650 have to look around very far to see the 478 00:20:13,630 --> 00:20:11,990 proof of that people who start coming 479 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:13,640 out of that possession our enemies and 480 00:20:18,100 --> 00:20:15,850 they're targeted and they're destroyed 481 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:18,110 anyone who tries to break from that and 482 00:20:24,070 --> 00:20:20,170 I've been through that to some degree 483 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:24,080 and others have even more but the 484 00:20:29,620 --> 00:20:26,210 reality is is that unless we waken up to 485 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:29,630 that condition we're in that that you 486 00:20:33,670 --> 00:20:32,450 know we can't understand it we can't get 487 00:20:35,290 --> 00:20:33,680 loose of it you know it's like one 488 00:20:37,660 --> 00:20:35,300 cancer cell trying to figure out well 489 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:37,670 why is the whole body dying we have to 490 00:20:43,270 --> 00:20:39,530 understand our nature not just 491 00:20:46,870 --> 00:20:43,280 individually but as a group and you know 492 00:20:48,370 --> 00:20:46,880 that's kind of the diagnosis so I you 493 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:48,380 know it's a bigger problem than just 494 00:20:52,570 --> 00:20:50,090 simply there's some perverts who hurt 495 00:20:54,340 --> 00:20:52,580 children the question is why do we all 496 00:20:57,340 --> 00:20:54,350 allow it to happen you know you watch a 497 00:21:00,940 --> 00:20:57,350 bird's nest and when a crow shows up to 498 00:21:02,650 --> 00:21:00,950 eat a newborn baby bird 20 starlings or 499 00:21:04,210 --> 00:21:02,660 swallows will show up and bomb the crow 500 00:21:05,890 --> 00:21:04,220 and drive it away from their nest to 501 00:21:07,990 --> 00:21:05,900 protect the baby that's wired into every 502 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:08,000 animal to protect its young then how 503 00:21:11,380 --> 00:21:09,890 come we don't do the same thing why 504 00:21:13,120 --> 00:21:11,390 aren't we breaking down the doors of 505 00:21:14,220 --> 00:21:13,130 these child killers shutting down these 506 00:21:16,470 --> 00:21:14,230 churches that are traffic 507 00:21:18,300 --> 00:21:16,480 Shelvin and to protect our young we 508 00:21:20,370 --> 00:21:18,310 don't we help them make it happen we pay 509 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:20,380 for it we may object to it in the 510 00:21:23,670 --> 00:21:22,090 abstract but we keep putting money in 511 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:23,680 the collection plate on Sundays we keep 512 00:21:28,380 --> 00:21:26,290 paying taxes to these institutions that 513 00:21:30,540 --> 00:21:28,390 do it and so that's for me the bigger 514 00:21:32,370 --> 00:21:30,550 question of group evil not simply 515 00:21:33,660 --> 00:21:32,380 individual evil I think it's a really 516 00:21:35,430 --> 00:21:33,670 interesting point you know you talk 517 00:21:37,530 --> 00:21:35,440 about the crows attacking the baby bird 518 00:21:39,810 --> 00:21:37,540 and the other birds protecting against 519 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:39,820 the crows boy I don't know about that 520 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:41,770 that seems to me to go in this other 521 00:21:49,350 --> 00:21:45,850 direction like so much of this stuff to 522 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:49,360 me seems to be boiled down to whether we 523 00:21:55,130 --> 00:21:52,210 accept some kind of extended 524 00:22:00,300 --> 00:21:55,140 consciousness that includes both the 525 00:22:02,790 --> 00:22:00,310 divine the infinite love what Christians 526 00:22:06,570 --> 00:22:02,800 associate with Christ consciousness but 527 00:22:09,630 --> 00:22:06,580 also seems to include this other darker 528 00:22:11,100 --> 00:22:09,640 monovalent force that some seems to be 529 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:11,110 in partnership in somewhere we don't 530 00:22:15,660 --> 00:22:13,810 completely understand with these other 531 00:22:18,180 --> 00:22:15,670 forces now I don't know if you buy into 532 00:22:21,060 --> 00:22:18,190 that or if you take a more humanistic 533 00:22:23,610 --> 00:22:21,070 kind of like it's it's group evil kind 534 00:22:28,050 --> 00:22:23,620 of thing how do you parse that out for 535 00:22:29,940 --> 00:22:28,060 yourself what do you think well one of 536 00:22:32,970 --> 00:22:29,950 the things about our judeo-christian 537 00:22:35,130 --> 00:22:32,980 heritage is it's really worships two 538 00:22:36,780 --> 00:22:35,140 gods node1 it believes in two equal 539 00:22:39,420 --> 00:22:36,790 forces of good and evil in the world 540 00:22:42,390 --> 00:22:39,430 a man a key and kind of bipolar view of 541 00:22:44,970 --> 00:22:42,400 divinity where there's good versus evil 542 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:44,980 biblically if you go back far enough and 543 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:46,330 into the traditions and many other 544 00:22:50,820 --> 00:22:48,730 religions they understand good and evil 545 00:22:54,180 --> 00:22:50,830 in a kind of yin-yang relationship that 546 00:22:56,970 --> 00:22:54,190 it's manifestation of the same deity so 547 00:22:59,760 --> 00:22:56,980 yes God ordains evil just like your 548 00:23:02,540 --> 00:22:59,770 Danes good in the book of Job Satan is a 549 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:02,550 servant of God sent out to test job and 550 00:23:06,750 --> 00:23:04,810 that's the way it is when you look at 551 00:23:08,670 --> 00:23:06,760 the so-called evil in our life there's a 552 00:23:12,360 --> 00:23:08,680 golden lining to it and that we grow 553 00:23:14,370 --> 00:23:12,370 from it we become more aware by it you 554 00:23:15,900 --> 00:23:14,380 know the old saying give thanks for your 555 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:15,910 enemies because they show you who you 556 00:23:20,310 --> 00:23:18,730 are I mean you know so I appreciate all 557 00:23:22,740 --> 00:23:20,320 of this evil that's fallen in my life 558 00:23:25,380 --> 00:23:22,750 because I've learned to go through it 559 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:25,390 and learn from it and instead of being 560 00:23:28,250 --> 00:23:27,730 afraid of it or fighting it I realize it 561 00:23:30,050 --> 00:23:28,260 was 562 00:23:32,060 --> 00:23:30,060 to mine growth to go through that 563 00:23:33,710 --> 00:23:32,070 darkness so I think we need to have a 564 00:23:35,630 --> 00:23:33,720 healthier and more balanced for you of 565 00:23:36,830 --> 00:23:35,640 good and evil rather than their evil 566 00:23:39,770 --> 00:23:36,840 they must be destroyed 567 00:23:41,510 --> 00:23:39,780 Satan must be destroyed no Satan in God 568 00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:41,520 psychologically our projections of our 569 00:23:46,130 --> 00:23:44,400 own light and shadow hey I totally get 570 00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:46,140 you but on the other hand as your 571 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:49,440 lifework just dramatically screams out 572 00:23:59,540 --> 00:23:55,050 is we do feel a certain drive to at the 573 00:24:02,390 --> 00:23:59,550 very least expose this evil and and to a 574 00:24:05,420 --> 00:24:02,400 certain extent wage a war against it I 575 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:05,430 mean you are not this kind of passive 576 00:24:09,980 --> 00:24:07,530 sit back trying to understand the shadow 577 00:24:13,430 --> 00:24:09,990 part you're not in there and stopping 578 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:13,440 bastards absolutely but it's not the 579 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:15,210 bastards I'm stopping it's the thing 580 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:17,250 that possesses them which also possesses 581 00:24:23,390 --> 00:24:21,170 me I remember after the World War two 582 00:24:25,310 --> 00:24:23,400 Robert Jackson he was the chief American 583 00:24:27,590 --> 00:24:25,320 prosecutor at Nuremberg he had put all 584 00:24:29,900 --> 00:24:27,600 the top Nazis on trial prosecuted them 585 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:29,910 he was speaking at a Jewish synagogue in 586 00:24:36,590 --> 00:24:32,250 Brooklyn and he caused a real scandal 587 00:24:38,660 --> 00:24:36,600 this was like 1951 or 52 he said the SS 588 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:38,670 were no different than you or I if you 589 00:24:43,130 --> 00:24:40,650 put us in the same circumstance we could 590 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:43,140 have done exactly what they did and I 591 00:24:47,150 --> 00:24:45,090 think happening in America at that time 592 00:24:49,730 --> 00:24:47,160 with the developing Cold War and the 593 00:24:52,490 --> 00:24:49,740 nuclear arms race that was a very wise 594 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:52,500 thing to say because any of us are 595 00:24:57,530 --> 00:24:54,650 capable of doing almost anything and 596 00:25:00,140 --> 00:24:57,540 morality is a very thin restraint I've 597 00:25:02,930 --> 00:25:00,150 seen that when I was growing up as a 598 00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:02,940 young boy I watched these my friends 599 00:25:07,850 --> 00:25:05,520 they used to capture prairie dogs and 600 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:07,860 beat them to death and break their back 601 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:09,330 and watch them try to crawl away and 602 00:25:12,410 --> 00:25:10,890 then I'll be laughing and taking bets 603 00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:12,420 how long we take for the prairie dog to 604 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:14,640 die but these same kids would be really 605 00:25:18,350 --> 00:25:16,290 kind and gentle with their brothers and 606 00:25:20,390 --> 00:25:18,360 sisters and they were my friends and 607 00:25:22,310 --> 00:25:20,400 everything but we have both in US and 608 00:25:24,620 --> 00:25:22,320 yes when you say we have to fight these 609 00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:24,630 things absolutely we have to fight the 610 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:26,400 thing what allows it within ourselves 611 00:25:30,890 --> 00:25:28,530 and around us it's like inward and 612 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:30,900 outward struggle but what we're up 613 00:25:36,710 --> 00:25:33,690 against is so heinous because it's it's 614 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:36,720 a huge global industry and so for 615 00:25:41,450 --> 00:25:39,930 example our focus is always being you 616 00:25:43,639 --> 00:25:41,460 know attacking the institution 617 00:25:45,169 --> 00:25:43,649 and the mindset not individuals I mean 618 00:25:47,539 --> 00:25:45,179 yeah we put the Pope on trial because 619 00:25:49,100 --> 00:25:47,549 he's a figurehead and you know the chief 620 00:25:51,649 --> 00:25:49,110 executive officer of a murderous 621 00:25:54,889 --> 00:25:51,659 corporation but the reality is is that 622 00:25:57,260 --> 00:25:54,899 we all keep it going and we need to look 623 00:25:58,580 --> 00:25:57,270 at systemic lis what's causing it so I 624 00:26:00,680 --> 00:25:58,590 don't know if that answers your question 625 00:26:02,419 --> 00:26:00,690 but it it's you have to do with great 626 00:26:05,180 --> 00:26:02,429 humility but at the same time great 627 00:26:06,830 --> 00:26:05,190 awareness that of the of the system of 628 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:06,840 evil that we're all immersed in let's 629 00:26:11,180 --> 00:26:08,730 take another stab at this from a 630 00:26:13,909 --> 00:26:11,190 slightly different angle I'm always 631 00:26:17,510 --> 00:26:13,919 interested and amazed at the same time 632 00:26:19,549 --> 00:26:17,520 with folks who deny the existence of 633 00:26:21,310 --> 00:26:19,559 evil and it comes from a lot of 634 00:26:23,870 --> 00:26:21,320 different sides I mean you talked about 635 00:26:26,210 --> 00:26:23,880 religious people they do get the 636 00:26:29,659 --> 00:26:26,220 dichotomy that you spelled out but when 637 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:29,669 you move into the scientific / atheist 638 00:26:36,740 --> 00:26:33,570 crowd a complete denial of evil and even 639 00:26:39,710 --> 00:26:36,750 when you get into some of the magic 640 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:39,720 crowd very loose on the evil question 641 00:26:43,100 --> 00:26:41,250 well it's just this and that even if you 642 00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:43,110 move over to the Buddhists sometimes 643 00:26:47,539 --> 00:26:45,600 their understanding at least the way 644 00:26:52,060 --> 00:26:47,549 it's come filtered through us to the 645 00:26:56,450 --> 00:26:52,070 West is this kind of softening of this 646 00:26:59,240 --> 00:26:56,460 evil as we seem to most often understand 647 00:27:01,519 --> 00:26:59,250 it in the West what do you make a bit 648 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:01,529 denial of evil what do you think about 649 00:27:04,340 --> 00:27:02,730 that in general 650 00:27:06,350 --> 00:27:04,350 well it's interesting your first point 651 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:06,360 it's there being a lot of studies made 652 00:27:10,639 --> 00:27:08,490 on the people who are more prone to 653 00:27:13,159 --> 00:27:10,649 commit violence whether in war or 654 00:27:14,779 --> 00:27:13,169 individually and you're far more likely 655 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:14,789 to commit violence when you are 656 00:27:19,850 --> 00:27:17,730 religious than when you're not ACS are 657 00:27:23,659 --> 00:27:19,860 less willing to to commit violence 658 00:27:25,690 --> 00:27:23,669 because they don't have a belief in a 659 00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:25,700 god this invisible deity who will 660 00:27:32,330 --> 00:27:29,130 forgive them for their forever their 661 00:27:33,950 --> 00:27:32,340 wrongs right that psychological defense 662 00:27:35,269 --> 00:27:33,960 allows you to do anything in the name of 663 00:27:36,380 --> 00:27:35,279 God you can kill in the name of God 664 00:27:38,539 --> 00:27:36,390 because you know you'll be forgiven 665 00:27:39,980 --> 00:27:38,549 whereas an atheist knows well there's 666 00:27:42,470 --> 00:27:39,990 just me in the universe I guess I have 667 00:27:45,289 --> 00:27:42,480 to be responsible for myself so I guess 668 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:45,299 psychologically that's what Frederick 669 00:27:49,010 --> 00:27:46,890 Nietzsche said when he wrote this book 670 00:27:50,899 --> 00:27:49,020 Beyond Good and Evil in the 19th century 671 00:27:53,299 --> 00:27:50,909 and he said these are meaningless terms 672 00:27:55,340 --> 00:27:53,309 they're just morality your morality is 673 00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:55,350 is evil my morality is good 674 00:27:58,909 --> 00:27:56,880 so totally subjective Herman doesn't 675 00:28:00,320 --> 00:27:58,919 mean anything hold on we have to drill 676 00:28:02,870 --> 00:28:00,330 into that because now we're flipping 677 00:28:04,460 --> 00:28:02,880 back to the other side if there is this 678 00:28:06,529 --> 00:28:04,470 it and I want to try and pin this down I 679 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:06,539 know it bounced around on it if there is 680 00:28:10,909 --> 00:28:08,490 this extended consciousness realm and 681 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:10,919 that's what I have 200 interviews on you 682 00:28:15,049 --> 00:28:12,210 now go to a near-death experience 683 00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:15,059 Auto Body experience after death 684 00:28:19,250 --> 00:28:16,559 communication all this stuff is 685 00:28:21,529 --> 00:28:19,260 confirming scientifically I put that in 686 00:28:23,620 --> 00:28:21,539 quotes because the science really breaks 687 00:28:26,450 --> 00:28:23,630 down as soon as we get past this 688 00:28:30,140 --> 00:28:26,460 material reality kind of thing which all 689 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:30,150 that stuff is but nonetheless the best 690 00:28:33,980 --> 00:28:32,490 evidence we have coming back suggests 691 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:33,990 that there is this extended 692 00:28:39,620 --> 00:28:36,690 consciousness realm so Nietzsche is is 693 00:28:42,860 --> 00:28:39,630 not really totally right there and that 694 00:28:44,779 --> 00:28:42,870 it's purely a morality play there do 695 00:28:46,820 --> 00:28:44,789 seem to be these other forces that are 696 00:28:49,700 --> 00:28:46,830 in play and then if we switch over to 697 00:28:52,370 --> 00:28:49,710 the experiential accounts we have serial 698 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:52,380 killers murderers rapists all sorts of 699 00:28:57,110 --> 00:28:54,690 people of all kinds say I was influenced 700 00:28:58,909 --> 00:28:57,120 by spiritual beings we have we have 701 00:29:00,380 --> 00:28:58,919 those in the near-death experience at 702 00:29:02,450 --> 00:29:00,390 counts we have those all over the place 703 00:29:04,850 --> 00:29:02,460 so their dose seemed to be these other 704 00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:04,860 forces at places that are outside of 705 00:29:08,299 --> 00:29:06,720 what Nietzsche is saying there could be 706 00:29:11,810 --> 00:29:08,309 yeah I know I don't I'm not a Nietzsche 707 00:29:14,180 --> 00:29:11,820 under by any means but not even like 708 00:29:16,490 --> 00:29:14,190 well physicists today say somewhere 709 00:29:18,289 --> 00:29:16,500 around 90 to 95% of the universe can't 710 00:29:21,100 --> 00:29:18,299 even be observed it's what's called dark 711 00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:21,110 matter dark energy and since we're the 712 00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:24,000 universe then that means 90 to 95 713 00:29:28,490 --> 00:29:26,880 percent of us cannot be known and so I 714 00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:28,500 think mystery and that's why I needed 715 00:29:33,409 --> 00:29:31,200 people often they don't call they have a 716 00:29:35,450 --> 00:29:33,419 name for God they just call it the 717 00:29:38,090 --> 00:29:35,460 mystery the great mystery that cannot be 718 00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:38,100 known and I'd never had a problem you 719 00:29:40,940 --> 00:29:39,360 know what I was giving sermons I would 720 00:29:42,470 --> 00:29:40,950 say to people I don't have answers none 721 00:29:44,539 --> 00:29:42,480 of us ultimately knows any more about 722 00:29:47,180 --> 00:29:44,549 God than anybody else it's all a great 723 00:29:49,070 --> 00:29:47,190 mystery so we don't really renewed 724 00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:49,080 religion we're all kind of exploring 725 00:29:52,700 --> 00:29:51,120 this together and we certainly shouldn't 726 00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:52,710 use that as a means to tell somebody 727 00:29:57,310 --> 00:29:54,720 else or tell anybody else would to 728 00:30:01,039 --> 00:29:57,320 believe but ultimately it comes down to 729 00:30:02,419 --> 00:30:01,049 what you think is real or not and you 730 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:02,429 know there's different philosophical 731 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:05,610 schools about that like to me it's a 732 00:30:09,180 --> 00:30:07,290 question of well show me the elements I 733 00:30:11,420 --> 00:30:09,190 mean tangible evidence some 734 00:30:13,470 --> 00:30:11,430 not somebody's subjective experience but 735 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:13,480 something that can be demonstrated 736 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:15,370 because that to me is I guess you'd call 737 00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:18,130 me a a free-thinking skeptic in that 738 00:30:21,540 --> 00:30:19,840 sense but also spiritual I'm because I'm 739 00:30:23,430 --> 00:30:21,550 open to the reality of that I just need 740 00:30:25,470 --> 00:30:23,440 to see the evidence yeah that's a tough 741 00:30:27,930 --> 00:30:25,480 one because people who usually espouse 742 00:30:30,750 --> 00:30:27,940 that belief are not very familiar with 743 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:30,760 scientific evidence and how it works and 744 00:30:34,650 --> 00:30:31,930 they're they're looking for a particular 745 00:30:36,300 --> 00:30:34,660 kind of evidence and they're wanting to 746 00:30:38,610 --> 00:30:36,310 discount other evidence we all 747 00:30:41,010 --> 00:30:38,620 understand pain we accept that there is 748 00:30:43,230 --> 00:30:41,020 such a thing as pain we only understand 749 00:30:44,790 --> 00:30:43,240 that from personal experience grief is 750 00:30:46,380 --> 00:30:44,800 another thing we do all sorts of studies 751 00:30:48,330 --> 00:30:46,390 on grief and how to relieve grief 752 00:30:50,550 --> 00:30:48,340 depression would be another one all 753 00:30:53,130 --> 00:30:50,560 those things are experiential so if you 754 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:53,140 go into the medical scientific 755 00:30:59,100 --> 00:30:57,130 literature it is experiential literature 756 00:31:01,140 --> 00:30:59,110 we've just done the best we can to try 757 00:31:03,330 --> 00:31:01,150 and understand it scientifically so it's 758 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:03,340 no different when we go into near-death 759 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:05,890 experience if it's done in the right way 760 00:31:10,350 --> 00:31:07,810 and it is you know like the study I 761 00:31:13,100 --> 00:31:10,360 always do is you go to a cardiac arrest 762 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:13,110 board and someone has died and you say 763 00:31:19,820 --> 00:31:17,170 recount your resuscitation process well 764 00:31:22,140 --> 00:31:19,830 neurologically we have no means to 765 00:31:25,740 --> 00:31:22,150 explain how anyone would have any 766 00:31:27,540 --> 00:31:25,750 recollection of their resuscitation but 767 00:31:29,790 --> 00:31:27,550 when we compare people who have had a 768 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:29,800 near-death experience to those who 769 00:31:35,010 --> 00:31:32,410 haven't in the same cardiac arrest board 770 00:31:37,260 --> 00:31:35,020 there's a dramatic difference so this is 771 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:37,270 evidence it's not really evidence in the 772 00:31:41,010 --> 00:31:38,890 legal sense I'm talking about evidence 773 00:31:41,550 --> 00:31:41,020 it can be like as we define it in a 774 00:31:43,530 --> 00:31:41,560 court of law 775 00:31:46,050 --> 00:31:43,540 that can be verified with two or more 776 00:31:48,450 --> 00:31:46,060 people according to an objective 777 00:31:51,390 --> 00:31:48,460 standard because even experiential stuff 778 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:51,400 can vary you know like I agree that that 779 00:31:55,860 --> 00:31:53,290 knowledge is experiential base we have 780 00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:55,870 experiences our best teacher but at the 781 00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:57,730 same time that experience can vary a lot 782 00:32:00,750 --> 00:31:59,440 in this interpret it differently like if 783 00:32:03,990 --> 00:32:00,760 you stimulate different parts of the 784 00:32:06,180 --> 00:32:04,000 brain you can have what people often see 785 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:06,190 as a near-death experience is that more 786 00:32:10,140 --> 00:32:08,050 real than another what is the ultimate 787 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:10,150 standard of reality I mean I don't think 788 00:32:13,380 --> 00:32:12,130 anyone has an answer for that but I 789 00:32:15,090 --> 00:32:13,390 guess that's what I'm saying I mean if 790 00:32:17,670 --> 00:32:15,100 we're going to go into the science of 791 00:32:19,290 --> 00:32:17,680 that they do have an answer for that and 792 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:19,300 I've talked to a bunch of them on this 793 00:32:22,990 --> 00:32:21,250 show and these are doctors for the most 794 00:32:24,790 --> 00:32:23,000 part you know you talk to 795 00:32:28,030 --> 00:32:24,800 dr. Jeff long he's a radiation 796 00:32:31,090 --> 00:32:28,040 oncologist in Yuma Louisiana he's not a 797 00:32:33,580 --> 00:32:31,100 Christian he's not uh he's trying to 798 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:33,590 peddle some kind of Christian message 799 00:32:37,540 --> 00:32:36,050 he's just investigating nearest 800 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:37,550 near-death experience 801 00:32:41,980 --> 00:32:39,130 same with dr. PIM van Lommel 802 00:32:43,780 --> 00:32:41,990 cardiologist in the Netherlands 20-year 803 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:43,790 study and those people will come back 804 00:32:47,710 --> 00:32:45,770 and they'll tell you kind of what you 805 00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:47,720 just said there doesn't really hold up 806 00:32:52,780 --> 00:32:50,480 no we can't stimulate parts of the brain 807 00:32:55,030 --> 00:32:52,790 and create a near-death experience never 808 00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:55,040 been done and the the results that we 809 00:32:59,680 --> 00:32:56,960 get from that that people do compare it 810 00:33:02,280 --> 00:32:59,690 to they don't compare well so again I 811 00:33:05,140 --> 00:33:02,290 don't have to take any kind of 812 00:33:07,420 --> 00:33:05,150 philosophical stance on that I just look 813 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:07,430 at the peer review 200 studies and it 814 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:09,530 comes it wants me in a different place 815 00:33:12,670 --> 00:33:11,330 it's like interpreting the Bible like we 816 00:33:14,290 --> 00:33:12,680 can all come at this from a different 817 00:33:15,910 --> 00:33:14,300 angle because it's ultimately a question 818 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:15,920 of interpretation I mean your 819 00:33:19,330 --> 00:33:17,450 interpretation of that data could be 820 00:33:20,890 --> 00:33:19,340 different than mine but for me the 821 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:20,900 bottom line is where does it all lead us 822 00:33:24,610 --> 00:33:22,250 in the end 823 00:33:27,210 --> 00:33:24,620 human beings seemed to have a need for 824 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:27,220 absolute standards and that comes out of 825 00:33:31,510 --> 00:33:29,570 what I believe is a lack of 826 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:31,520 responsibility for our own experience 827 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:35,090 and our own reality I mean if you're 828 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:36,650 gonna take full responsibility for your 829 00:33:40,570 --> 00:33:38,450 life you don't need proof of an 830 00:33:42,190 --> 00:33:40,580 afterlife experience it doesn't really 831 00:33:43,750 --> 00:33:42,200 matter what happens to us after that 832 00:33:45,970 --> 00:33:43,760 isn't some kind of standard like the way 833 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:45,980 people use the word God we have to be 834 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:47,450 responsible in the here and now at every 835 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:49,370 moment for our actions and that's really 836 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:50,930 the reality that we should take 837 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:52,850 seriously because if we don't all of 838 00:33:56,770 --> 00:33:55,250 these crimes can happen and people just 839 00:33:58,590 --> 00:33:56,780 don't feel they need to do anything 840 00:34:00,850 --> 00:33:58,600 about them and I think that comes from 841 00:34:02,140 --> 00:34:00,860 not being able to tell the difference 842 00:34:04,450 --> 00:34:02,150 between something that's real and 843 00:34:06,730 --> 00:34:04,460 imagined right we know children are 844 00:34:08,230 --> 00:34:06,740 being killed as we speak that's where 845 00:34:09,700 --> 00:34:08,240 our energy needs to go to stop these 846 00:34:11,770 --> 00:34:09,710 crimes and I mean that to me is always 847 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:11,780 been the bottom line and that's why I 848 00:34:16,389 --> 00:34:13,490 tend to use legal standards for things 849 00:34:18,010 --> 00:34:16,399 because that's how we are supposed to 850 00:34:20,889 --> 00:34:18,020 operate according to justice in our 851 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:20,899 society according to the law right which 852 00:34:25,780 --> 00:34:23,090 has certain very set notions of what's 853 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:25,790 evidence and what isn't right yeah I 854 00:34:31,930 --> 00:34:28,970 don't know I mean as you well know the 855 00:34:34,090 --> 00:34:31,940 law is equally problematic you know a 856 00:34:35,500 --> 00:34:34,100 couple years ago I guess it was I 857 00:34:39,070 --> 00:34:35,510 interviewed 858 00:34:42,430 --> 00:34:39,080 former undercover FBI agent who had 859 00:34:44,500 --> 00:34:42,440 infiltrated NAMBLA you know that phony 860 00:34:46,570 --> 00:34:44,510 baloney Association man-boy love 861 00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:46,580 Association it's really just an 862 00:34:50,500 --> 00:34:48,169 organization for pedophiles to get 863 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:50,510 together and have these little outings 864 00:34:54,399 --> 00:34:52,850 where they would go and collectively 865 00:34:59,350 --> 00:34:54,409 raped little kid 866 00:35:01,120 --> 00:34:59,360 FBI 20 years infiltrated it took him a 867 00:35:03,460 --> 00:35:01,130 couple of years to do it Kevin and he 868 00:35:06,010 --> 00:35:03,470 was on the inside now helping them 869 00:35:08,530 --> 00:35:06,020 organize and being there while they plan 870 00:35:11,380 --> 00:35:08,540 these events and he arrested a bunch of 871 00:35:14,830 --> 00:35:11,390 them and some of them were convicted but 872 00:35:17,830 --> 00:35:14,840 his biggest complaint was that the legal 873 00:35:21,700 --> 00:35:17,840 standard that he had to apply to is very 874 00:35:25,450 --> 00:35:21,710 very difficult to match up with the 875 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:25,460 reality that he saw so he goes on an 876 00:35:32,260 --> 00:35:28,610 outing in New York City at the old Toys 877 00:35:35,140 --> 00:35:32,270 R Us in Times Square and these men are 878 00:35:37,450 --> 00:35:35,150 leaning over the railing saying the 879 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:37,460 violent acts they would like to do these 880 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:39,410 little children and he's there 881 00:35:43,330 --> 00:35:41,330 witnessing it and he says it took 882 00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:43,340 everything I could not to just toss 883 00:35:48,700 --> 00:35:46,250 these guys over the railing but not all 884 00:35:51,070 --> 00:35:48,710 those people went to prison because he 885 00:35:53,740 --> 00:35:51,080 didn't have the evidence to do it so 886 00:35:55,630 --> 00:35:53,750 when we say you know just like you're 887 00:35:58,360 --> 00:35:55,640 kind of begging off the scientific 888 00:36:01,780 --> 00:35:58,370 evidence in in favor of the legal of it 889 00:36:05,140 --> 00:36:01,790 it doesn't really it's anywhere closer 890 00:36:06,190 --> 00:36:05,150 to the truth that we must find back up 891 00:36:08,650 --> 00:36:06,200 from the scientific I was just 892 00:36:12,790 --> 00:36:08,660 interpreting that differently than you 893 00:36:14,980 --> 00:36:12,800 are and in terms of the law the reason 894 00:36:17,530 --> 00:36:14,990 people aren't prosecuted is because in 895 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:17,540 our society child killing and abuse is 896 00:36:23,470 --> 00:36:20,930 never been a crime in practice and you 897 00:36:25,060 --> 00:36:23,480 know that the whole society is based on 898 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:25,070 child abuse because you have to 899 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:26,450 traumatize people at a young age to 900 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:27,410 control them 901 00:36:30,670 --> 00:36:29,090 that's how elites are being governing 902 00:36:33,010 --> 00:36:30,680 for the last five to six thousand years 903 00:36:35,140 --> 00:36:33,020 by traumatizing the population the yeah 904 00:36:36,970 --> 00:36:35,150 okay so that's why genocide child 905 00:36:38,530 --> 00:36:36,980 trafficking it's not a crime it's it's 906 00:36:39,700 --> 00:36:38,540 why people go to jail for a year get 907 00:36:42,370 --> 00:36:39,710 their wrist slapped and they're let out 908 00:36:44,890 --> 00:36:42,380 and so that's not what I mean by the law 909 00:36:48,190 --> 00:36:44,900 I'm talking about when you're in court 910 00:36:49,150 --> 00:36:48,200 you have to produce evidence based on 911 00:36:50,950 --> 00:36:49,160 them assumption um in 912 00:36:53,230 --> 00:36:50,960 since not guilty and that's why somebody 913 00:36:55,539 --> 00:36:53,240 people get away as well because you have 914 00:36:57,220 --> 00:36:55,549 to have hard evidence that they not only 915 00:36:59,529 --> 00:36:57,230 that they did a crime but that what they 916 00:37:01,299 --> 00:36:59,539 did led to the harm and that's where 917 00:37:03,609 --> 00:37:01,309 everything breaks down that chain of 918 00:37:05,589 --> 00:37:03,619 causality and that's what makes it so 919 00:37:06,730 --> 00:37:05,599 difficult and the child killers know 920 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:06,740 that and that's why they get away with 921 00:37:10,510 --> 00:37:08,450 it legally and we need a different 922 00:37:13,539 --> 00:37:10,520 mechanism than the law I'm not trying to 923 00:37:15,579 --> 00:37:13,549 put everything on than that but you know 924 00:37:17,349 --> 00:37:15,589 I mean it's it's ultimately what your 925 00:37:21,279 --> 00:37:17,359 aim is I think that's what it comes down 926 00:37:24,190 --> 00:37:21,289 to what is our aim and all of this what 927 00:37:26,049 --> 00:37:24,200 should our aim be life protecting 928 00:37:29,589 --> 00:37:26,059 innocent I mean that to me has always 929 00:37:31,930 --> 00:37:29,599 been the bottom line you know if we 930 00:37:33,460 --> 00:37:31,940 don't we have no future and I think 931 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:33,470 that's one of the reasons our society is 932 00:37:38,260 --> 00:37:35,210 falling apart because we don't 933 00:37:42,430 --> 00:37:38,270 we've not broken from that tradition 934 00:37:44,410 --> 00:37:42,440 that children are expendable and I can 935 00:37:46,539 --> 00:37:44,420 be used and thrown away if you do that I 936 00:37:48,010 --> 00:37:46,549 remember there was a couch and native 937 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:48,020 man I used to work with on Vancouver 938 00:37:51,789 --> 00:37:49,970 Island Del Mar Johnny and I said to him 939 00:37:53,769 --> 00:37:51,799 you know a lot of us kind of romanticize 940 00:37:55,029 --> 00:37:53,779 Indians that things were fine until the 941 00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:55,039 white people showed up and then we 942 00:37:59,470 --> 00:37:57,890 messed you up you know what did you do 943 00:38:02,019 --> 00:37:59,480 was there childhood abuse in your 944 00:38:03,670 --> 00:38:02,029 country said sure there was we had and I 945 00:38:05,890 --> 00:38:03,680 said how do you deal with it he said in 946 00:38:08,049 --> 00:38:05,900 our villages we had a special group of 947 00:38:09,940 --> 00:38:08,059 men and whenever anyone harmed a child 948 00:38:11,620 --> 00:38:09,950 they were those men would take that 949 00:38:12,490 --> 00:38:11,630 person away into the woods and you never 950 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:12,500 see him again 951 00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:14,450 right they would just dispose of them 952 00:38:18,700 --> 00:38:16,730 and I said well it's kind of brutal as 953 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:18,710 and he said no it isn't because the life 954 00:38:21,549 --> 00:38:20,210 of that child is more important than the 955 00:38:23,380 --> 00:38:21,559 one who harmed him because if you don't 956 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:23,390 value children above everyone you don't 957 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:25,970 have a future our society would die and 958 00:38:29,620 --> 00:38:27,770 proof enough that's why the children 959 00:38:31,150 --> 00:38:29,630 were all carted away to the death camps 960 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:31,160 they called residential schools they 961 00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:32,930 know that's how you break your culture 962 00:38:36,700 --> 00:38:34,250 you destroy the children while we're 963 00:38:39,730 --> 00:38:36,710 doing it to ourselves now right yeah 964 00:38:42,130 --> 00:38:39,740 because this isn't a recent thing in 965 00:38:45,250 --> 00:38:42,140 history as far back as we can go in 966 00:38:48,490 --> 00:38:45,260 recorded history we find this so it is I 967 00:38:50,890 --> 00:38:48,500 just always bristle at the idea that 968 00:38:53,890 --> 00:38:50,900 there were in some special time there is 969 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:53,900 some big turmoil or that the system is 970 00:38:57,700 --> 00:38:55,970 is that a breaking point doesn't seem to 971 00:39:00,690 --> 00:38:57,710 me to be at a kind of breaking point 972 00:39:02,339 --> 00:39:00,700 well to me it depends on you are 973 00:39:06,450 --> 00:39:02,349 it depends where you are in the Titanic 974 00:39:07,770 --> 00:39:06,460 right but what we see what we experience 975 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:07,780 every day but I think it's just 976 00:39:12,990 --> 00:39:11,290 intensifying now because of it that we 977 00:39:15,150 --> 00:39:13,000 can't seriously compare what we're in 978 00:39:18,420 --> 00:39:15,160 now to say a thousand years ago because 979 00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:18,430 there is a lot more flexibility back 980 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:18,880 then 981 00:39:24,630 --> 00:39:22,210 everything is so centralized you know if 982 00:39:26,460 --> 00:39:24,640 we have how many days supply of food if 983 00:39:28,319 --> 00:39:26,470 all the electricity went out would die 984 00:39:29,819 --> 00:39:28,329 within two days people would biddy be at 985 00:39:31,260 --> 00:39:29,829 each other's throats that's not a 986 00:39:33,450 --> 00:39:31,270 traditional agrarian society you 987 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:33,460 wouldn't have that problem so it's a lot 988 00:39:36,950 --> 00:39:35,410 more unstable now and people know and I 989 00:39:39,359 --> 00:39:36,960 think it's one of the reasons that that 990 00:39:41,910 --> 00:39:39,369 psychosis and dissociation everything is 991 00:39:43,740 --> 00:39:41,920 on the rise rampantly suicide is the 992 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:43,750 third cause of death in the world today 993 00:39:49,140 --> 00:39:45,450 third highest cause of death is suicide 994 00:39:51,839 --> 00:39:49,150 you know I don't know and so that's a 995 00:39:53,910 --> 00:39:51,849 little factoid there I'd love to drill 996 00:39:56,910 --> 00:39:53,920 into that and find to what extent that's 997 00:39:58,710 --> 00:39:56,920 true because I know the data I see a lot 998 00:40:02,160 --> 00:39:58,720 of times presents an entire different 999 00:40:06,500 --> 00:40:02,170 picture you know poverty down across the 1000 00:40:10,230 --> 00:40:06,510 world on a grand scale violence down 1001 00:40:12,990 --> 00:40:10,240 consistently on a grand scale and I'm 1002 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:13,000 not supporting or pushing that data I'm 1003 00:40:17,609 --> 00:40:14,890 saying unless we were going to have that 1004 00:40:19,260 --> 00:40:17,619 kind of level of discussion of digging 1005 00:40:22,589 --> 00:40:19,270 into the data I'd be uncomfortable 1006 00:40:25,010 --> 00:40:22,599 saying that this special time that we're 1007 00:40:28,230 --> 00:40:25,020 in is pointing this way or that way 1008 00:40:30,420 --> 00:40:28,240 instead I think what I'd return us to 1009 00:40:34,049 --> 00:40:30,430 because I think this is another 1010 00:40:37,289 --> 00:40:34,059 interesting kind of tidbit I pull out of 1011 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:37,299 your story is you know what you 1012 00:40:44,819 --> 00:40:41,650 originally got in trouble for as the the 1013 00:40:47,730 --> 00:40:44,829 Minister that you were is letting people 1014 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:47,740 tell their truth letting people tell 1015 00:40:54,230 --> 00:40:51,010 their story and I just wonder what you 1016 00:40:55,470 --> 00:40:54,240 think about truth seeking in 1017 00:40:59,329 --> 00:40:55,480 truth-telling 1018 00:41:02,609 --> 00:40:59,339 as it relates to maybe this 1019 00:41:06,059 --> 00:41:02,619 counterbalance to evil that likes to 1020 00:41:08,039 --> 00:41:06,069 hide behind the truth well I think it's 1021 00:41:10,230 --> 00:41:08,049 it's like democracy it's a wonderful 1022 00:41:13,859 --> 00:41:10,240 idea but in practice it's very 1023 00:41:14,579 --> 00:41:13,869 subversive and truth-telling is fine as 1024 00:41:16,979 --> 00:41:14,589 long as you're nuts 1025 00:41:18,630 --> 00:41:16,989 on Cerritos I could have had a fine 1026 00:41:20,670 --> 00:41:18,640 career in the electric I just mentioned 1027 00:41:23,359 --> 00:41:20,680 the wrong truth you know we're talking 1028 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:23,369 about the big money behind the church 1029 00:41:27,900 --> 00:41:25,690 robbing him native land it's killing of 1030 00:41:30,209 --> 00:41:27,910 children those are unacceptable truths 1031 00:41:32,099 --> 00:41:30,219 and it wasn't I who first articulated 1032 00:41:34,319 --> 00:41:32,109 that it was the Native people themselves 1033 00:41:37,769 --> 00:41:34,329 standing up in my pulpit and I was told 1034 00:41:39,690 --> 00:41:37,779 to know exactly let me make it clear 1035 00:41:41,489 --> 00:41:39,700 because maybe I'm kind of getting into a 1036 00:41:42,959 --> 00:41:41,499 little bit of inside baseball but I want 1037 00:41:45,539 --> 00:41:42,969 you to kind of pick up at that point I 1038 00:41:49,380 --> 00:41:45,549 mean it's my read of your story is that 1039 00:41:52,739 --> 00:41:49,390 you more or less innocently found these 1040 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:52,749 people's pain and you said let me try 1041 00:41:57,509 --> 00:41:55,450 and help all of us collectively heal 1042 00:42:00,870 --> 00:41:57,519 from that pain come to the church and 1043 00:42:04,410 --> 00:42:00,880 let's let you at least talk about and 1044 00:42:07,469 --> 00:42:04,420 verbalize and publicly get out what has 1045 00:42:09,839 --> 00:42:07,479 happened and that truth-telling is what 1046 00:42:11,700 --> 00:42:09,849 we all say we want and then when it 1047 00:42:13,950 --> 00:42:11,710 really happens to a whistleblower like 1048 00:42:16,769 --> 00:42:13,960 you who facilitates that it's off with 1049 00:42:20,609 --> 00:42:16,779 your head kind of thing very much and it 1050 00:42:21,870 --> 00:42:20,619 was in my naivety and if I hadn't to be 1051 00:42:23,009 --> 00:42:21,880 naive I wouldn't have been aimed at 1052 00:42:26,609 --> 00:42:23,019 because if you know what you're walking 1053 00:42:28,709 --> 00:42:26,619 into you know you tend not to do it but 1054 00:42:31,349 --> 00:42:28,719 I thought I believed the big lie that 1055 00:42:33,029 --> 00:42:31,359 the church want to do you know was it a 1056 00:42:34,650 --> 00:42:33,039 humane institution and want to take 1057 00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:34,660 responsibility and all that so I didn't 1058 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:36,249 think there'd be a harm in raising this 1059 00:42:41,069 --> 00:42:38,890 stuff but when they went so far as to 1060 00:42:42,390 --> 00:42:41,079 destroy my life and then scapegoating me 1061 00:42:44,609 --> 00:42:42,400 and trying to make an example of you 1062 00:42:46,529 --> 00:42:44,619 publicly I know okay that's how you act 1063 00:42:48,089 --> 00:42:46,539 when you're in damage control that's 1064 00:42:49,380 --> 00:42:48,099 what you do when you're a corporation 1065 00:42:51,059 --> 00:42:49,390 and you have to make an example of 1066 00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:51,069 somebody to scare any to other truths 1067 00:42:55,739 --> 00:42:53,650 tellers off and so as soon as that 1068 00:42:57,329 --> 00:42:55,749 process began I ping came clear to me 1069 00:42:59,069 --> 00:42:57,339 what was going on but in that naive 1070 00:43:01,620 --> 00:42:59,079 stage you're going hey what's happening 1071 00:43:03,779 --> 00:43:01,630 to me I'm just doing the right thing hey 1072 00:43:05,969 --> 00:43:03,789 one other thing I wanted to kind of jump 1073 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:05,979 over and talk about and I haven't really 1074 00:43:12,420 --> 00:43:10,450 heard you talk about it but what do you 1075 00:43:14,459 --> 00:43:12,430 think of the idea of that you know kind 1076 00:43:18,180 --> 00:43:14,469 of staring into the abyss you know we're 1077 00:43:22,410 --> 00:43:18,190 talking about evil are we running the 1078 00:43:25,620 --> 00:43:22,420 risk of immersing ourselves in the 1079 00:43:28,110 --> 00:43:25,630 darkness to the end to a certain extent 1080 00:43:31,050 --> 00:43:28,120 closing ourselves out for 1081 00:43:35,060 --> 00:43:31,060 the light I mean what is our role in 1082 00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:35,070 both balancing the evil but also 1083 00:43:40,740 --> 00:43:38,250 transmuting it by continually trying to 1084 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:40,750 connect with the light odor maybe you 1085 00:43:45,300 --> 00:43:42,970 don't think of things in those terms so 1086 00:43:47,010 --> 00:43:45,310 tell me what your thinking is it's a 1087 00:43:49,110 --> 00:43:47,020 practical question cream we had to face 1088 00:43:51,110 --> 00:43:49,120 that question when we especially when 1089 00:43:53,970 --> 00:43:51,120 I'd been involved in exorcisms because 1090 00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:53,980 whatever it is you want to call it an 1091 00:43:57,720 --> 00:43:56,170 entity or that force that possesses a 1092 00:44:00,300 --> 00:43:57,730 person when it leaves it looks for other 1093 00:44:02,340 --> 00:44:00,310 hosts and you have to be protected in 1094 00:44:04,590 --> 00:44:02,350 your self brutal infect you and in fact 1095 00:44:05,970 --> 00:44:04,600 it always does affect you regardless and 1096 00:44:08,700 --> 00:44:05,980 I've spoken other people who've done 1097 00:44:10,230 --> 00:44:08,710 exorcisms and I met a guy in Ireland who 1098 00:44:13,230 --> 00:44:10,240 had done it he's only done three in his 1099 00:44:14,850 --> 00:44:13,240 whole life and he said to me every time 1100 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:14,860 I did want it took something out of me 1101 00:44:18,090 --> 00:44:16,810 it's one of the prices you pay you 1102 00:44:21,780 --> 00:44:18,100 realize you lose something to yourself 1103 00:44:23,250 --> 00:44:21,790 when you can confront genuine evil this 1104 00:44:26,060 --> 00:44:23,260 entity whatever you want to call it 1105 00:44:28,530 --> 00:44:26,070 Satan some people call it the adversary 1106 00:44:29,700 --> 00:44:28,540 so yeah there is a loss involved just 1107 00:44:32,220 --> 00:44:29,710 like when you go to war and you lose a 1108 00:44:33,270 --> 00:44:32,230 limb you or you lose your legs you're 1109 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:33,280 not gonna pretend you can run the 1110 00:44:37,380 --> 00:44:35,530 hundred meter after that right so you 1111 00:44:39,630 --> 00:44:37,390 willingly have to be going to a 1112 00:44:40,890 --> 00:44:39,640 situation like any warrior does knowing 1113 00:44:44,550 --> 00:44:40,900 that you're gonna lose something they 1114 00:44:46,410 --> 00:44:44,560 die but not let that deter you and so I 1115 00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:46,420 think it's part of the price you pay I 1116 00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:47,650 don't think there's a healthy way to 1117 00:44:51,330 --> 00:44:49,450 come out of something like that it's 1118 00:44:53,910 --> 00:44:51,340 like being a you know how it's what it's 1119 00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:53,920 like is any whistleblower faces the same 1120 00:44:57,270 --> 00:44:55,690 dilemma it doesn't matter if you've 1121 00:44:59,910 --> 00:44:57,280 indicated it doesn't matter if they say 1122 00:45:00,240 --> 00:44:59,920 look Kevin and has been proven true you 1123 00:45:02,430 --> 00:45:00,250 know 1124 00:45:05,910 --> 00:45:02,440 Canada's admitted to genocide you're 1125 00:45:07,710 --> 00:45:05,920 always blacklisted it never lifts no one 1126 00:45:09,330 --> 00:45:07,720 wants to be around somebody who's been a 1127 00:45:11,430 --> 00:45:09,340 whistleblower because they might do it 1128 00:45:12,870 --> 00:45:11,440 again and everybody's got things to hide 1129 00:45:15,420 --> 00:45:12,880 and they make them uncomfortable right 1130 00:45:18,050 --> 00:45:15,430 so we never get vindicated we never 1131 00:45:20,310 --> 00:45:18,060 recover our own lives our own lives and 1132 00:45:21,870 --> 00:45:20,320 you know you learn the hard way that 1133 00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:21,880 that's the price you pay and there's no 1134 00:45:25,890 --> 00:45:23,650 kind of easy way out of that that's 1135 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:25,900 excellent I had not thought about that 1136 00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:27,850 before in terms of the whistleblowing 1137 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:29,890 process because as I mentioned in my 1138 00:45:35,610 --> 00:45:32,770 first interview one of the things I so 1139 00:45:38,370 --> 00:45:35,620 respect and admire there's no other word 1140 00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:38,380 about it is when someone studies your 1141 00:45:45,380 --> 00:45:41,760 journey they understand that you have 1142 00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:45,390 through that experience that very very 1143 00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:48,330 few people who have done especially for 1144 00:45:52,340 --> 00:45:50,880 as long as you've done it and one of the 1145 00:45:54,530 --> 00:45:52,350 things that you can share with us like 1146 00:45:56,780 --> 00:45:54,540 you just did are some of those kind of 1147 00:45:59,900 --> 00:45:56,790 insights that immediately ring true to 1148 00:46:01,670 --> 00:45:59,910 me no you will never recover from the 1149 00:46:03,890 --> 00:46:01,680 whistleblowing process it will take 1150 00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:03,900 something out of you I want to return 1151 00:46:09,770 --> 00:46:06,450 though to the question of transmuting 1152 00:46:12,349 --> 00:46:09,780 the evil getting past the evil and so 1153 00:46:15,070 --> 00:46:12,359 again my journey on this has really 1154 00:46:17,720 --> 00:46:15,080 started with science and one of the 1155 00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:17,730 scientific points that I looked at was 1156 00:46:23,810 --> 00:46:20,210 this whole thing of after death 1157 00:46:26,750 --> 00:46:23,820 communication psychics mediums turns out 1158 00:46:28,670 --> 00:46:26,760 that has been studied scientifically at 1159 00:46:32,380 --> 00:46:28,680 the University of Arizona and then later 1160 00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:32,390 by a woman named dr. Julie basil who is 1161 00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:35,490 has her PhD in pharmacology so she's 1162 00:46:40,300 --> 00:46:37,410 someone who knows how to set up a double 1163 00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:40,310 Brian tripple brine quadruple blinded 1164 00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:42,930 experiment and that's what she did and 1165 00:46:46,310 --> 00:46:44,130 it really isn't that hard to do 1166 00:46:48,590 --> 00:46:46,320 experiments on after death communication 1167 00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:48,600 with someone who wants to connect with 1168 00:46:52,730 --> 00:46:50,210 someone on the other side you can look 1169 00:46:54,770 --> 00:46:52,740 at her research published in 1170 00:46:56,300 --> 00:46:54,780 peer-reviewed papers and you can see how 1171 00:46:59,900 --> 00:46:56,310 it's done and then statistically 1172 00:47:02,599 --> 00:46:59,910 analyzed the net of all that is that she 1173 00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:02,609 has not only established at least my 1174 00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:04,890 satisfaction that there's a reality to 1175 00:47:08,930 --> 00:47:07,200 after death communication but she's been 1176 00:47:10,430 --> 00:47:08,940 able to identify certain people that 1177 00:47:13,670 --> 00:47:10,440 seem to be able to do it better than 1178 00:47:15,740 --> 00:47:13,680 other people and one of those is a woman 1179 00:47:18,310 --> 00:47:15,750 named Claire Broad who I spoke with a 1180 00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:18,320 few months ago and she's a medium in 1181 00:47:24,290 --> 00:47:21,359 England and we had an awesome 1182 00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:24,300 conversation and I did come around at 1183 00:47:29,180 --> 00:47:27,359 some point to this question of evil you 1184 00:47:30,740 --> 00:47:29,190 know a lot of people when they're 1185 00:47:33,740 --> 00:47:30,750 talking about after death communication 1186 00:47:35,830 --> 00:47:33,750 they kind of get into talking about the 1187 00:47:38,210 --> 00:47:35,840 spirits that maybe aren't on such 1188 00:47:40,340 --> 00:47:38,220 alright I have that different kind of 1189 00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:40,350 vibe that you just kind of alluded to 1190 00:47:46,790 --> 00:47:42,480 with the exorcism thing and she said you 1191 00:47:47,359 --> 00:47:46,800 know Alex that really isn't a big thing 1192 00:47:49,460 --> 00:47:47,369 for me 1193 00:47:52,370 --> 00:47:49,470 she was I've done this for 20 years I've 1194 00:47:55,050 --> 00:47:52,380 only come across it a couple of times on 1195 00:47:58,580 --> 00:47:55,060 rare occasions and she says the reason 1196 00:48:00,870 --> 00:47:58,590 is because I'm always just focused on 1197 00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:00,880 the light the positive 1198 00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:05,370 I just put my mind in that place and I 1199 00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:08,410 think that that's where we need to be as 1200 00:48:16,980 --> 00:48:13,210 individuals is to transmute to transcend 1201 00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:16,990 that evil that darkness now that's her 1202 00:48:21,570 --> 00:48:19,570 that isn't exactly my experience but I 1203 00:48:24,750 --> 00:48:21,580 wonder if I could kind of throw that 1204 00:48:28,830 --> 00:48:24,760 question out there again is that do we 1205 00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:28,840 run a risk at looking at evil of being 1206 00:48:34,380 --> 00:48:31,650 consumed with the process of 1207 00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:34,390 understanding it even if we're battling 1208 00:48:39,980 --> 00:48:37,090 it we are somehow aligned ourselves with 1209 00:48:42,900 --> 00:48:39,990 that darkness in a way that may not be 1210 00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:42,910 healthy for us and Kevin I'm not talking 1211 00:48:47,010 --> 00:48:44,650 about you personally here so I just mean 1212 00:48:48,390 --> 00:48:47,020 that kind of in a general sense well 1213 00:48:50,150 --> 00:48:48,400 it's kind of like the thing that came to 1214 00:48:52,530 --> 00:48:50,160 mind when you were telling me that was 1215 00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:52,540 where all the folks in Hiroshima would 1216 00:48:58,620 --> 00:48:53,890 have stopped the a-bomb by thinking 1217 00:49:00,930 --> 00:48:58,630 positively no I mean evil is concrete in 1218 00:49:04,350 --> 00:49:00,940 the world it's it's massive mindless 1219 00:49:08,250 --> 00:49:04,360 violence against the innocent if we fear 1220 00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:08,260 something we have you know like the term 1221 00:49:12,420 --> 00:49:10,810 negative its pejorative negative is 1222 00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:12,430 simply the opposite the positive it's 1223 00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:14,170 neutral it doesn't mean anything it's 1224 00:49:18,150 --> 00:49:16,480 just an opposite just like Knight is the 1225 00:49:21,650 --> 00:49:18,160 opposite of day well we wouldn't try to 1226 00:49:24,570 --> 00:49:21,660 banish nighttime it it's this kind of 1227 00:49:27,270 --> 00:49:24,580 Taoist way of looking at things that 1228 00:49:29,100 --> 00:49:27,280 there's a higher unity of good and evil 1229 00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:29,110 beyond at all okay and it's working for 1230 00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:30,730 a higher purpose I know that but you 1231 00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:32,530 don't understand that purpose by denying 1232 00:49:37,650 --> 00:49:34,450 half of it and saying I'm only gonna 1233 00:49:39,540 --> 00:49:37,660 focus on the light that's a dissociated 1234 00:49:40,230 --> 00:49:39,550 way of thinking and operating it's 1235 00:49:42,540 --> 00:49:40,240 fear-based 1236 00:49:45,690 --> 00:49:42,550 and it's not it doesn't embrace our 1237 00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:45,700 total reality as human beings I'm with 1238 00:49:47,730 --> 00:49:46,930 you and I think that's an excellent 1239 00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:47,740 point 1240 00:49:53,240 --> 00:49:51,010 and on top of that I want to come back 1241 00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:53,250 to this and try at it one more time 1242 00:50:00,690 --> 00:49:57,370 because I think the denial of evil we 1243 00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:00,700 get that it's the the happy faced Fundy 1244 00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:02,530 religious person I won't put any 1245 00:50:06,510 --> 00:50:04,690 particular religion on it but just hey 1246 00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:06,520 everything's bright and shiny don't have 1247 00:50:09,870 --> 00:50:08,290 hurt don't ever show me anything 1248 00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:09,880 negative because I can't deal with it 1249 00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:12,250 but there does seem to be this other 1250 00:50:17,220 --> 00:50:15,490 risk too in right now you can find it on 1251 00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:17,230 the Internet I mean you want to go into 1252 00:50:21,420 --> 00:50:19,690 the satanic ritual abuse thing which I 1253 00:50:23,550 --> 00:50:21,430 have several guests coming on and I 1254 00:50:26,730 --> 00:50:23,560 think to me it's undeniable that there's 1255 00:50:30,150 --> 00:50:26,740 some reality to that but there's also 1256 00:50:33,330 --> 00:50:30,160 some reality to people who get consumed 1257 00:50:36,930 --> 00:50:33,340 with looking for that and exploring it 1258 00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:36,940 and collecting data on it and are have 1259 00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:40,570 some kind of compulsion that that draws 1260 00:50:48,420 --> 00:50:44,370 them further into it that maybe isn't so 1261 00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:48,430 healthy and productive for leading is a 1262 00:50:52,770 --> 00:50:51,610 good life if you will well if you want 1263 00:50:54,180 --> 00:50:52,780 to lead a good life you definitely 1264 00:50:57,300 --> 00:50:54,190 shouldn't get involved in trying to 1265 00:51:00,180 --> 00:50:57,310 defend children in that situation it's a 1266 00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:00,190 question of what is more important to an 1267 00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:04,690 individual you know it's like I find in 1268 00:51:08,670 --> 00:51:07,090 the work I do the people who stay with 1269 00:51:10,890 --> 00:51:08,680 us are the ones who've done a shift 1270 00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:10,900 internally they go from the normal 1271 00:51:13,830 --> 00:51:12,640 response of somebody which is I better 1272 00:51:17,070 --> 00:51:13,840 not do this because something might 1273 00:51:18,690 --> 00:51:17,080 happen to me too I better do this 1274 00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:18,700 because look what's going to happen to 1275 00:51:24,210 --> 00:51:22,090 that child if I don't okay and when you 1276 00:51:25,980 --> 00:51:24,220 when you do that kind of component in 1277 00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:25,990 revolution shift where you're not the 1278 00:51:29,970 --> 00:51:27,370 center of the universe anymore but 1279 00:51:32,490 --> 00:51:29,980 somebody else is you acquire a wisdom 1280 00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:32,500 and a strength and a and a peace really 1281 00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:35,650 which doesn't allow yourself to be 1282 00:51:39,990 --> 00:51:37,570 consumed by that because you understand 1283 00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:40,000 the illusionary nature of reality I mean 1284 00:51:46,860 --> 00:51:42,970 my Irish ancestors thought that we're 1285 00:51:49,290 --> 00:51:46,870 we're actually that what we call life is 1286 00:51:50,130 --> 00:51:49,300 a dream and that when we die we go back 1287 00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:50,140 to reality 1288 00:51:54,630 --> 00:51:53,170 so it was very kind of stoic way of 1289 00:51:56,250 --> 00:51:54,640 operating when they said well you know 1290 00:51:58,290 --> 00:51:56,260 this war and famine oh that but 1291 00:51:59,550 --> 00:51:58,300 ultimately it's an illusion we'll go 1292 00:52:01,200 --> 00:51:59,560 back to this source 1293 00:52:03,810 --> 00:52:01,210 eventually and then all things will be 1294 00:52:06,060 --> 00:52:03,820 clear and so that's personally the way I 1295 00:52:07,830 --> 00:52:06,070 approach this evil because when you're 1296 00:52:09,420 --> 00:52:07,840 getting involved and really looking this 1297 00:52:11,820 --> 00:52:09,430 I've done prison ministry where I've 1298 00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:11,830 worked with serial killers they don't 1299 00:52:16,290 --> 00:52:14,290 think anything they did was wrong they 1300 00:52:17,970 --> 00:52:16,300 don't think it was evil they thought 1301 00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:17,980 they were doing it for a good cause they 1302 00:52:22,460 --> 00:52:19,770 feel self justified normally the 1303 00:52:24,820 --> 00:52:22,470 there the victim right there there is a 1304 00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:24,830 classic narcissistic personalities but 1305 00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:27,330 good and evil doesn't mean anything to 1306 00:52:32,780 --> 00:52:29,370 those people or in in the real situation 1307 00:52:34,750 --> 00:52:32,790 it's a quest and more of power like how 1308 00:52:37,100 --> 00:52:34,760 do people exert power over others 1309 00:52:39,500 --> 00:52:37,110 usually because they let themselves be 1310 00:52:41,540 --> 00:52:39,510 used because they're trained to be you 1311 00:52:43,430 --> 00:52:41,550 know used in that way so you can say 1312 00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:43,440 that the victim is willing to be the 1313 00:52:48,530 --> 00:52:46,530 victim right they're not just acted upon 1314 00:52:50,030 --> 00:52:48,540 they are attracted to the darkness and 1315 00:52:51,950 --> 00:52:50,040 want to be used in that way to some 1316 00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:51,960 degree now I don't mean a little babies 1317 00:52:57,020 --> 00:52:55,200 or children who are just you know tacked 1318 00:52:58,400 --> 00:52:57,030 but but the what you're talking about 1319 00:52:59,600 --> 00:52:58,410 the way people interact with the 1320 00:53:03,110 --> 00:52:59,610 darkness and they're drawn to it 1321 00:53:05,240 --> 00:53:03,120 definitely people I know with are into 1322 00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:05,250 it because they want it be it's the big 1323 00:53:09,500 --> 00:53:06,930 boss they want to be the torturer right 1324 00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:09,510 and they have this this fatal attraction 1325 00:53:13,130 --> 00:53:11,520 to the darkness to that darkness in 1326 00:53:14,900 --> 00:53:13,140 themselves so we have to understand 1327 00:53:16,490 --> 00:53:14,910 ourselves we have to really understand 1328 00:53:18,710 --> 00:53:16,500 and know ourselves to do this work you 1329 00:53:20,660 --> 00:53:18,720 know that's really good stuff going but 1330 00:53:23,780 --> 00:53:20,670 it's interesting you know cuz like even 1331 00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:23,790 in your answer you had to carve out a 1332 00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:25,770 little exception there and I think that 1333 00:53:29,420 --> 00:53:27,570 exception is really interesting because 1334 00:53:31,430 --> 00:53:29,430 we understand both to be true we 1335 00:53:34,940 --> 00:53:31,440 understand that our fascination with 1336 00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:34,950 evil isn't always of the purest of heart 1337 00:53:40,430 --> 00:53:37,410 if you will but we also understand 1338 00:53:43,430 --> 00:53:40,440 there's a reality to the really darkness 1339 00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:43,440 of just you know raping a three-year-old 1340 00:53:48,410 --> 00:53:46,410 child that child didn't have any any say 1341 00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:48,420 in it you know it's it's if raping 1342 00:53:51,950 --> 00:53:50,130 anyone they don't have any say in it 1343 00:53:54,380 --> 00:53:51,960 that's kind of the definition of rape 1344 00:53:57,100 --> 00:53:54,390 but certainly there's an innocence there 1345 00:54:00,500 --> 00:53:57,110 that we kind of can't get past and we I 1346 00:54:01,910 --> 00:54:00,510 just think there's a tell me what you 1347 00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:01,920 think about this and I'm sure you've 1348 00:54:05,510 --> 00:54:03,690 heard this because it floats out there 1349 00:54:08,150 --> 00:54:05,520 in various ways but there's this kind of 1350 00:54:11,060 --> 00:54:08,160 diffusion of responsibility thing that 1351 00:54:14,900 --> 00:54:11,070 goes along with the well it's all an 1352 00:54:19,070 --> 00:54:14,910 illusion it's all karma you know I chose 1353 00:54:20,990 --> 00:54:19,080 this existence as a victim because it's 1354 00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:21,000 a balancing out of me being a 1355 00:54:24,510 --> 00:54:22,450 perpetrator 1356 00:54:26,070 --> 00:54:24,520 I don't know what you do with that I 1357 00:54:28,380 --> 00:54:26,080 don't know how you handle it 1358 00:54:31,290 --> 00:54:28,390 but I again I just kind of throw it on 1359 00:54:34,410 --> 00:54:31,300 the table there what do you make of that 1360 00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:34,420 well I know I used I would get that a 1361 00:54:39,810 --> 00:54:36,610 lot from from people when you confront 1362 00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:39,820 them about it but he says there's this 1363 00:54:44,460 --> 00:54:42,370 thing I read a long time ago it said it 1364 00:54:48,390 --> 00:54:44,470 was a saying it said we're all dead 1365 00:54:50,820 --> 00:54:48,400 souls waiting to be born and I used to 1366 00:54:52,650 --> 00:54:50,830 think that I was alive and then looking 1367 00:54:55,260 --> 00:54:52,660 back I realized it wasn't because things 1368 00:54:58,020 --> 00:54:55,270 that move me now didn't before I was 1369 00:55:01,320 --> 00:54:58,030 like frozen and it took a lot of pain 1370 00:55:03,870 --> 00:55:01,330 and struggled to awaken to something and 1371 00:55:06,570 --> 00:55:03,880 I wasn't awoken by a pleasant experience 1372 00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:06,580 I wasn't awoken by love or family or 1373 00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:08,770 positive affirmation no in a way that 1374 00:55:13,710 --> 00:55:09,850 all kept me in limbo 1375 00:55:15,930 --> 00:55:13,720 what awoke me was suffering and that's a 1376 00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:15,940 hard word for us to accept in our 1377 00:55:19,620 --> 00:55:17,890 culture because Western cultures based 1378 00:55:21,930 --> 00:55:19,630 very much on the denial of death and 1379 00:55:23,550 --> 00:55:21,940 suffering but suffering in this is an 1380 00:55:27,570 --> 00:55:23,560 essential part of growth and evolution 1381 00:55:29,610 --> 00:55:27,580 and it's it's interesting the word Jesus 1382 00:55:32,340 --> 00:55:29,620 uses in Aramaic when he's talking about 1383 00:55:35,250 --> 00:55:32,350 do not resist evil and when he's talking 1384 00:55:37,170 --> 00:55:35,260 about loving your enemy his words in 1385 00:55:40,350 --> 00:55:37,180 Aramaic and then translated into Greek 1386 00:55:42,870 --> 00:55:40,360 actually mean do not be like the evil 1387 00:55:45,660 --> 00:55:42,880 person that doesn't mean embrace and and 1388 00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:45,670 and let evil go on unchallenged it means 1389 00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:48,730 literally turn 180 degrees away and walk 1390 00:55:52,500 --> 00:55:50,290 in a different direction it means don't 1391 00:55:56,030 --> 00:55:52,510 be like it and that's the way you fight 1392 00:55:58,350 --> 00:55:56,040 it you do not share its energy right and 1393 00:56:00,300 --> 00:55:58,360 that's easier said than done because 1394 00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:00,310 we're all sharing it in it to some 1395 00:56:05,340 --> 00:56:03,010 degree right you know last topic and you 1396 00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:05,350 just kind of let us into it you by 1397 00:56:10,290 --> 00:56:07,810 referencing Jesus and a wonderful 1398 00:56:12,900 --> 00:56:10,300 teaching that we can all relate to it 1399 00:56:17,630 --> 00:56:12,910 sounds good feels good makes sense in 1400 00:56:21,390 --> 00:56:17,640 this context but what are we to make of 1401 00:56:24,570 --> 00:56:21,400 historically our understanding of Jesus 1402 00:56:26,730 --> 00:56:24,580 our understanding of Christianity and I 1403 00:56:29,850 --> 00:56:26,740 know you've you've kind of covered the 1404 00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:29,860 gamut here because clearly that history 1405 00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:33,370 is littered with social engineering 1406 00:56:38,860 --> 00:56:36,290 slash mind control by the role 1407 00:56:42,310 --> 00:56:38,870 there's no question from the beginning 1408 00:56:45,820 --> 00:56:42,320 it was at play and we have to tease that 1409 00:56:49,780 --> 00:56:45,830 out of it at the same time there do seem 1410 00:56:53,710 --> 00:56:49,790 to be some deep deep truths there when 1411 00:56:56,410 --> 00:56:53,720 we go looking for the man Jesus he slips 1412 00:56:58,930 --> 00:56:56,420 through our fingers when we go looking 1413 00:57:01,300 --> 00:56:58,940 for the Christ consciousness I think I 1414 00:57:05,020 --> 00:57:01,310 don't have any doubt that we find it in 1415 00:57:08,380 --> 00:57:05,030 in people on this planet today who can 1416 00:57:11,020 --> 00:57:08,390 kind of communicate that and connect 1417 00:57:14,470 --> 00:57:11,030 with it but what are we to do with 1418 00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:14,480 historical Jesus in this early Christian 1419 00:57:20,170 --> 00:57:16,490 tradition that from the beginning seems 1420 00:57:23,020 --> 00:57:20,180 they have all the same mistakes that we 1421 00:57:25,180 --> 00:57:23,030 see in churches and religions today well 1422 00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:25,190 it's it's like any idea at any beautiful 1423 00:57:31,740 --> 00:57:27,970 idea it starts up great and then people 1424 00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:31,750 corrupt it that's kind of the blithe 1425 00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:33,890 superficial answer ISA don't quote me I 1426 00:57:39,340 --> 00:57:35,090 mean that's kind of obvious to everybody 1427 00:57:41,410 --> 00:57:39,350 I think but the truth is is that it's no 1428 00:57:44,050 --> 00:57:41,420 accident that the Pope cares around a 1429 00:57:45,700 --> 00:57:44,060 corpse on a cross because they murdered 1430 00:57:46,990 --> 00:57:45,710 Jesus that's what the Church of Rome did 1431 00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:47,000 they murdered the early 1432 00:57:50,980 --> 00:57:50,090 she's Jesus tradition and they replaced 1433 00:57:53,410 --> 00:57:50,990 it with something 1434 00:57:56,260 --> 00:57:53,420 what Catholicism and the and what grew 1435 00:57:59,170 --> 00:57:56,270 out of it Roman Catholicism and Eastern 1436 00:58:03,490 --> 00:57:59,180 Orthodox as well was based on the 1437 00:58:04,660 --> 00:58:03,500 destruction of Christ's spirit and the 1438 00:58:07,510 --> 00:58:04,670 replacement it was like this weird 1439 00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:07,520 synthesis the formal teachings most of 1440 00:58:12,130 --> 00:58:09,530 them combined with the Roman Empire you 1441 00:58:14,230 --> 00:58:12,140 had a new entity created called 1442 00:58:17,650 --> 00:58:14,240 Christendom and two combined the 1443 00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:17,660 violence and the empire with what they 1444 00:58:21,670 --> 00:58:19,490 call Christianity but really what it was 1445 00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:21,680 was a denial of the most basic spirit of 1446 00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:26,530 Jesus which was non-violence and 1447 00:58:31,900 --> 00:58:29,930 acceptance and respect right seeing God 1448 00:58:33,370 --> 00:58:31,910 in all people and that's the one thing 1449 00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:33,380 Christianity has never been able to do 1450 00:58:37,510 --> 00:58:36,530 it's seen equality with other faiths as 1451 00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:37,520 a threat to itself 1452 00:58:40,570 --> 00:58:39,050 that's how empires think making 1453 00:58:42,550 --> 00:58:40,580 everybody part of the same religion 1454 00:58:45,610 --> 00:58:42,560 that's how empires think not how Christ 1455 00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:45,620 saw and it really has nothing to do with 1456 00:58:48,070 --> 00:58:46,370 Christianity 1457 00:58:50,050 --> 00:58:48,080 it's that whatever you want to call it 1458 00:58:53,230 --> 00:58:50,060 struggling in each one of us 1459 00:58:55,540 --> 00:58:53,240 to win out over that that kind of 1460 00:58:58,720 --> 00:58:55,550 corporate view that it's about power 1461 00:59:00,580 --> 00:58:58,730 it's about what you believe and control 1462 00:59:02,860 --> 00:59:00,590 over the masses and all of that garbage 1463 00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:02,870 which has nothing to do with his simple 1464 00:59:06,550 --> 00:59:04,970 teaching and spirit really I don't know 1465 00:59:08,950 --> 00:59:06,560 that maybe that's all kind of obvious 1466 00:59:11,350 --> 00:59:08,960 but I don't think it's obvious but it 1467 00:59:13,180 --> 00:59:11,360 does let me kind of hone right in on a 1468 00:59:15,450 --> 00:59:13,190 question that I don't know if you think 1469 00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:15,460 it's important but a lot of people do 1470 00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:18,050 what do you think about the historical 1471 00:59:26,380 --> 00:59:22,010 Jesus are you okay with maybe Jesus 1472 00:59:30,580 --> 00:59:26,390 being a historical but the teachings the 1473 00:59:34,090 --> 00:59:30,590 wisdom being real in some way or does 1474 00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:34,100 there have to be this person Jesus that 1475 00:59:41,530 --> 00:59:37,850 was born at that time and was in this 1476 00:59:43,420 --> 00:59:41,540 sense that is more than others a son of 1477 00:59:45,580 --> 00:59:43,430 God kind of thing where do you just come 1478 00:59:46,930 --> 00:59:45,590 down on that I'm interested well it's 1479 00:59:49,870 --> 00:59:46,940 interesting because the Romans were 1480 00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:49,880 meticulous record keepers and there's no 1481 00:59:55,870 --> 00:59:51,370 record of him anywhere 1482 00:59:57,700 --> 00:59:55,880 the only reference to Christ's Tacitus 1483 01:00:00,100 --> 00:59:57,710 and Josephus the Roman philosopher 1484 01:00:02,710 --> 01:00:00,110 Tacitus and the Jewish historian 1485 01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:02,720 Josephus refer to a Christ but they're 1486 01:00:05,980 --> 01:00:04,370 quoting Christian sources there's never 1487 01:00:08,740 --> 01:00:05,990 any objective evidence that he ever 1488 01:00:12,070 --> 01:00:08,750 existed at the same time being who he 1489 01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:12,080 was which was this poor itinerant 1490 01:00:15,730 --> 01:00:13,850 landless peasant why would there be a 1491 01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:15,740 record of them he'd be talking to people 1492 01:00:19,810 --> 01:00:17,930 he wouldn't be writing anything down he 1493 01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:19,820 was probably illiterate it would be 1494 01:00:24,250 --> 01:00:21,530 sayings passed around the people and 1495 01:00:26,380 --> 01:00:24,260 that's what a lot of the the Bible 1496 01:00:28,630 --> 01:00:26,390 scholars now agree that there was a 1497 01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:28,640 saint what they call a sayings pure even 1498 01:00:33,790 --> 01:00:31,010 the thirty years after his his his life 1499 01:00:36,550 --> 01:00:33,800 where people were passing around his 1500 01:00:37,900 --> 01:00:36,560 thoughts and that got codified and then 1501 01:00:41,460 --> 01:00:37,910 the church stepped in and turned it into 1502 01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:41,470 a Canon and weeded out a lot of stuff 1503 01:00:46,510 --> 01:00:44,570 including things like the gospel of Mary 1504 01:00:49,150 --> 01:00:46,520 Magdalene Gnostics all of that was 1505 01:00:50,950 --> 01:00:49,160 destroyed but no I could very much 1506 01:00:51,610 --> 01:00:50,960 believe because I know people like him 1507 01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:51,620 all the time 1508 01:00:55,660 --> 01:00:53,450 this anonymous people who have that 1509 01:00:57,760 --> 01:00:55,670 light in them who's touching something 1510 01:00:59,860 --> 01:00:57,770 very basic in all of us the best in us 1511 01:01:01,990 --> 01:00:59,870 right and that's why he's so and the 1512 01:01:03,430 --> 01:01:02,000 churches always used that to suck people 1513 01:01:05,410 --> 01:01:03,440 in and keep them 1514 01:01:07,150 --> 01:01:05,420 as if they somehow embody that spirit 1515 01:01:09,970 --> 01:01:07,160 and they're also selling arms and 1516 01:01:12,339 --> 01:01:09,980 dealing drugs and children that's if the 1517 01:01:15,309 --> 01:01:12,349 two could coexist you know so I I just 1518 01:01:17,650 --> 01:01:15,319 think it's yes absolutely he could have 1519 01:01:23,050 --> 01:01:17,660 exist he exists I meet him all the time 1520 01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:23,060 he's yeah yeah well said love it so this 1521 01:01:27,370 --> 01:01:25,970 has been absolutely awesome I love 1522 01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:27,380 getting together with you you always 1523 01:01:32,290 --> 01:01:30,170 have so many interesting deep deep 1524 01:01:34,270 --> 01:01:32,300 thoughts on some of these fundamental 1525 01:01:35,770 --> 01:01:34,280 questions like you said a couple of 1526 01:01:38,950 --> 01:01:35,780 times you know heck people have been 1527 01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:38,960 kicking around these ideas for hundreds 1528 01:01:44,530 --> 01:01:41,450 of years it's nothing new here but there 1529 01:01:46,660 --> 01:01:44,540 always is something do because there's 1530 01:01:48,609 --> 01:01:46,670 always different things going on maybe 1531 01:01:50,500 --> 01:01:48,619 we can wrap up and you can tell us some 1532 01:01:54,339 --> 01:01:50,510 of the things that are going on in your 1533 01:01:56,140 --> 01:01:54,349 world and how people can learn more 1534 01:01:57,730 --> 01:01:56,150 about I love your show I think you have 1535 01:01:59,859 --> 01:01:57,740 a great show and people can tune into 1536 01:02:01,270 --> 01:01:59,869 that but what other things are going on 1537 01:02:05,020 --> 01:02:01,280 and how can they find out more about 1538 01:02:06,670 --> 01:02:05,030 your amazing life in your work well I 1539 01:02:08,380 --> 01:02:06,680 want to thank you too Alex it's always 1540 01:02:11,859 --> 01:02:08,390 you know you're one of the few really 1541 01:02:14,020 --> 01:02:11,869 intelligent interviews I ever connect 1542 01:02:15,490 --> 01:02:14,030 with I mean you go be you go but a lot 1543 01:02:18,130 --> 01:02:15,500 deeper and so I do appreciate our 1544 01:02:19,930 --> 01:02:18,140 interviews together and generally people 1545 01:02:22,780 --> 01:02:19,940 can find out what I'm doing by following 1546 01:02:24,940 --> 01:02:22,790 two things murder by decree calm that's 1547 01:02:27,339 --> 01:02:24,950 the website and like you mentioned the 1548 01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:27,349 radio show Sundays actually it's on in 1549 01:02:35,349 --> 01:02:30,410 just half an hour 6 p.m. Eastern Time 1550 01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:35,359 BBS radio.com slash Hugh we stand in the 1551 01:02:39,099 --> 01:02:36,410 new year we're starting a whole new 1552 01:02:41,559 --> 01:02:39,109 round we're doing a whole new campaign 1553 01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:41,569 around on several different fronts one 1554 01:02:46,839 --> 01:02:43,690 having to do with child trafficking 1555 01:02:49,450 --> 01:02:46,849 especially in America now the whole 1556 01:02:51,490 --> 01:02:49,460 network that we're exposing in the 1557 01:02:53,890 --> 01:02:51,500 Mormon Church involving these crimes 1558 01:02:56,950 --> 01:02:53,900 directly tied to the Vatican there's a 1559 01:02:59,740 --> 01:02:56,960 strong link there but also in Canada we 1560 01:03:01,059 --> 01:02:59,750 were doing workshops constantly the 1561 01:03:03,430 --> 01:03:01,069 movement to establish a common law 1562 01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:03,440 Republic I'm on the road half the time 1563 01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:05,210 giving lectures and workshops so if 1564 01:03:08,829 --> 01:03:06,410 people want to get a hold of me just 1565 01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:08,839 write the common land at gmail.com and 1566 01:03:13,359 --> 01:03:11,210 I'll certainly keep you updated Alex 1567 01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:13,369 great keV and I look forward to it and 1568 01:03:17,290 --> 01:03:15,650 by the way folks if you do go to the 1569 01:03:20,650 --> 01:03:17,300 website and you 1570 01:03:24,170 --> 01:03:20,660 your sermons are fantastic they are 1571 01:03:26,750 --> 01:03:24,180 absolutely fantastic and insightful in 1572 01:03:29,180 --> 01:03:26,760 so many different ways unlike other 1573 01:03:32,690 --> 01:03:29,190 sermons people will read because they 1574 01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:32,700 connect some of these biblical stories 1575 01:03:38,569 --> 01:03:35,490 that were familiar with to current 1576 01:03:40,579 --> 01:03:38,579 events in a very unique way but a very 1577 01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:40,589 enlightening way so I don't know how you 1578 01:03:45,620 --> 01:03:43,290 find the time Mahalo grow things to do 1579 01:03:47,450 --> 01:03:45,630 this kind of writing but it's impressive 1580 01:03:49,309 --> 01:03:47,460 well thanks Alex yeah well I know it's 1581 01:03:52,940 --> 01:03:49,319 just kind of it's in my blood my father 1582 01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:52,950 and grandfather were writers so I find 1583 01:03:57,470 --> 01:03:55,410 it easy but thank you I appreciate all 1584 01:03:59,480 --> 01:03:57,480 that thanks again to Kevin Anat for 1585 01:04:01,400 --> 01:03:59,490 joining me today on skeptic oh the one 1586 01:04:03,020 --> 01:04:01,410 question I guess I T up from this 1587 01:04:07,010 --> 01:04:03,030 interview what is our more 1588 01:04:10,309 --> 01:04:07,020 responsibility to stand up to what we 1589 01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:10,319 see as evil and at what point do we 1590 01:04:17,270 --> 01:04:14,970 become complicit if we don't stand up to 1591 01:04:19,849 --> 01:04:17,280 it well those are some really 1592 01:04:22,309 --> 01:04:19,859 challenging questions for me so let me 1593 01:04:26,690 --> 01:04:22,319 know your thoughts come on over to the 1594 01:04:29,210 --> 01:04:26,700 skeptical forum make a post read other 1595 01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:29,220 people's post or send me an email 1596 01:04:34,069 --> 01:04:30,930 they're coming on YouTube or do whatever 1597 01:04:35,630 --> 01:04:34,079 but let me know that you've heard it and 1598 01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:35,640 that you have a thought about it and 1599 01:04:39,950 --> 01:04:37,890 share it with me and other folks who 1600 01:04:41,780 --> 01:04:39,960 listen to the show well that's going to 1601 01:04:43,910 --> 01:04:41,790 do it for this episode I have some great 1602 01:04:47,690 --> 01:04:43,920 episode's coming up please stay with me